by the way, I would like to make a correction... it will be classic but with custom start to allow maximum diplomacy.

question. how does custom start allow max diplomacy?
Also, i like the idea of a wild card, so that players do not give up if they are not winning/top 2. but i may or may not join. not sure. dont no

Custom start allows max diplomacy because you can discuss with your possible allies to try to persuade them to build different units... Example: England can attempt to persuade France to build army Brest instead of Fleet.

oh. I see. very good

will it be anonymous players?

Well everyone will know who they are playing against, but I may make the actual game Anon(so if there is any grudges, they can't use it against a player, but at the same time, in a tourney, they deserve to know WHO it is against)

I think the tiebreaker rules need to be better defined.

- In your example, what if player C finished 3rd with 6 instead. Who would get the wildcard spot?
- What if there is a 4 way draw with 3 players having 6 SC's and 1 having 16? Who are considered the top 2 players.
- If I have 3rd place with a draw and 6 SC's, is that better than 3rd place and a survive with 6 SC's... or 7 SC's... or 8 SC's... or more?

You think things through. I like that. in Order.
-If player C finished 3rd with 6, making it a tie with him and player B, then It will be decided by who had the best gameplay. Ex: if Player B got to 6 centers with little to no effort, say he is France and gets Spain and Port and Belgium due to a German support, and then he just helps Germany coast into an easy win, while Player C fights for the whole game to try to win it, he will go over B. it will be discussed more if that situation arises, and it will be open for discussion by all participants.
-If there is a 4 way draw with 3 players having 6 centers, then it will follow similar proceedings as the first point made.
-For this tournament, Draw> Survive. so if you are in a draw with 6 centers, you still go over a survive with 6+, because you were able to help stop a solo, which obviously means you played a better game.

1. Butterhead
2. AtlastheBarbarian
3. Mongoose998
4. Ezpickens

If tiebreakers will be decided by discussion once the tournament starts, that could get messy. I think at least one more tiebreaker rule should be decided before the start. We had some unpleasant discussions/arguments in vdip cup regarding which map to use. People were threatening to leave the tournament, which would have been unpleasant for all.

The rules that I see so far are:
top 2 players per game:
win>draw>survive>defeat>abandon
SC's at end of game
Discussion after game

One wildcard selected from all remaining after top 2, using the same tiebreaker rules.

Also, If discussion is to be used as a tiebreaker, then there should be a way to end the discussion with a definitive conclusion. Something like this would work for me: Butterhead will make the final decision on all matters.

That's sort of what I was thinking as well, but I just phrased it in a different way which may not have been as clearly stated... but as far as the discussion part, I would think it would be more like:
Butterhead will listen to arguments from all 21 players that do so wish to state an opinion on the matter, and then will make the final decision based off of said arguments.

maybe we pit the two against each other in a game of Lepanto?

I'll put my hand up, if you need another participant.

I think Duo would be better than Lepanto.

why don't people read?
kaner, if you definately want in, PM me please. :)

bump. still plenty of empty slots people!

@Butterhead, Yes. I was trying to rephrase what you said.

I still think there should be at least one more tiebreaker rule. Something like this:

top 2 players per game:
1. win>draw>survive>defeat>abandon
2. SC's at end of game
3. Of those still tied, the first one to reach and maintain that SC count.
4. Butterhead will listen to arguments from all 21 players that do so wish to state an opinion on the matter, and then will make the final decision based off of said arguments.

One wildcard selected from all remaining after top 2, using the same tiebreaker rules.

1. Butterhead
2. AtlastheBarbarian
3. Mongoose998
4. Ezpickens
5. Ender
6. Devonian
7. kaner406

I'd like to join.

Hey Butter - how many players do you need?

people... read more carefully please... if interested, PM me... I don't want this thread coated with people saying they want to join. PM is easier for me to keep track of...
Adler, if you want in, PM me please.
kaner, at the moment we have 7 out of 21, so we are 14 short.

Alder has joined the ranks, we need 13 more.

bump... 11 more, full list to be posted soon.

1. Butterhead
2. AtlastheBarbarian
3. Mongoose998
4. Ezpickens
5. Ender
6. Devonian
7. kaner406
8. Alder
9. EvW
10. flutterbyzerker

bump.

if its classic games, maybe you should do some advertising on webdip.

that takes too much effort. lol. I know we can get 21 willing players here.

Just an Idea. I'll do it if your that's your real reason for not doing it. i suppose a vdip only tourney would be cool

yea, it would be pretty cool to have a bunch of Vdip players here in the tourney.

I may be interested. Been gone for a couple months, busy with RL and stuff, this is probably as good an excuse as any to jump back in.