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faded box (1108 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
live
anyone up for a live 1v1? u can choose map if u dont like one i got posted
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Vauban (1081 D)
17 Sep 17 UTC
Colour for Neutral Province
Check below
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Cometk (1000 D)
15 Sep 17 UTC
Replacing Inactive Member
how does my group go about replacing an inactive member?
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President Eden (1588 D)
13 Sep 17 UTC
Is England* vs Turkey truly balanced?
The stats spread on England* vs Turkey is innocuous enough. England* wins 55% of games which do not end in a draw, Turkey wins 45%. England is favored, but not to the extent that Turkey can't win; the game is not balanced, but it also isn't drastically skewed either way.

However, I have recently encountered an opening from England that I'm struggling to counter as Turkey.
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michael_b (957 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Question: Adding Variant(s)
Please see reply.
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Anon (?? D)
12 Sep 17 UTC
Gunboat with me
Hey, if anyone is interested in playing a beginner gunboat with me (I suck at gunboat) holla at me for the password http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=32229
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Anon (?? D)
12 Sep 17 UTC
"...tuesday" game sequel is out...
Pls play this WWII map...
Remember, only on Tuesdays!
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=32223
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michael_b (957 D)
11 Sep 17 UTC
Strong British Position
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=31381
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The Ambassador (1639 D (B) (B))
06 Sep 17 UTC
Online Dip Pet Peeves
We're introducing a new segment to the podcast. Have your say (more below)...
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@abadu - so it is. when I take my years-long sabbaticals from Diplomacy, it's usually because the last game I played made me feel bad about what I had to do to win.
ishirkmywork (1207 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
(+3)
when self righteous players complain about my use of vulgarity infused profanity and cutting, expertly aimed insults to their character, wits, and and misplaced sense of self worth.
mouse (1882 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
People who go all-in against minor slights, such as single-centre border readjustments, ignoring the larger state of the map.
StartPlayer (920 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
@BobRoss, point 1 I agree entirely. Its entirely possible to be at war one game and not in another as every game is a separate dynamic.

point 2 Is where I disagree, I like to keep everything that happens in one game in that game, I don't think that should then be shared in another game at all.

On a related note, how would people feel if two players found themselves in more than one game together and started making deals across games, ie "if you do this in Game A I will do something in Game B"?
abadu (1263 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
That's metagaming and explicitly forbidden in the rules. I guess there will always be at least some subconscious preconceptions when you meet a player for the second time which is why I prefer anonymous games.
@Start - on Bob's point 2, I agree with both of you to an extent. Using the knowledge that a certain player likes to stab early or does this that or the other in certain circumstances is smart play. Sharing that knowledge with others, however, is metagaming (and also giving too much info is bad play anyhow).
Deals across games is an explicit rule violation unless part of a tournament where it is accepted (not all tournaments, only those where it has been agreed upon by the TD and players).
RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
The use of the term metagaming to describe the behavior of crossgaming. Metagaming is an example of play of a game or games within a larger game/competition such as a tournament. In these instances metagaming is not only allowed, it is intended and expected. Crossgaming is an entirely different animal of unethical play, one example being the game A, game B scenario mentioned above. It also includes revenge, automatic alliances, alliances based on real life friendships, and an array of other motivations outside the game itself. The continued misuse of the word metagaming adds confusion and serves to perpetuate the behavior.
G-Man (2410 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
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Yeah, I'm in my first non-anonymous game in a while and I can already see players can't help being affected by those they come across in other games. I really prefer to play anonymous, as it really cuts down on cross-gaming.
@RUFF - Meta means "outside" so technically crossgaming is a form of metagaming.
Not that wikipedia is perfect but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta

Meta (from the Greek preposition and prefix meta- (μετά-) meaning "after", or "beyond")
I would say all of your examples are "beyond the game" and therefore, metagaming.
Oh, and it can't be crossgaming if two players join the site and, in their very first game, team up in an unbreakable alliance because they are real life friends (one of your examples) as there hasn't been multiple games to cross over.
Unstupid (785 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
Someone who joins a game and does not tell the truth once in the entire game - diplomacy is about lying selectively. I did it once. Never again
ubercacher16 (1544 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
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When people "go for the draw" from the beginning of the game and never even try to solo at all.

Also when people get mad at you for stabbing them, it's just a game after all!
RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
Yes, crossgaming is a form of metagaming. It's the unethical kind. Not all metagaming is unethical. All crossgaming is. Original point stands.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
"Oh, and it can't be crossgaming if two players join the site and, in their very first game, team up in an unbreakable alliance because they are real life friends (one of your examples) as there hasn't been multiple games to cross over"

This is just cheating. And you're diffusing the point with you stubborness. I didn't say that crossgaming was the only improper metagaming. I said that it's annoying when people refer to crossgaming as metagaming. It's like referring to Rugby as football, and saying that goalkeeper should be sent off for a foul. Rugby is a form of football, but it doesn't have goalleeers.

Metagaming = legal and illegal behavior
Crossgaming = illegal behavior

Specifics matter here, particularly when so many players cannot understand why this behavior is a problem.
Folks - I'll tally these up in about 24 hours, and pick one to get input from the various site admins (Kaner and I plan to record mid next week and will cover one of these off.)

So keep the ball rolling!
mouse (1882 D)
09 Sep 17 UTC
Crossgaming *is* a type of metagaming, though. That's how subsets work.

Existing alliances from out of game are an illegal form of metagaming, but they are not crossgaming (unless the 'out of game' is 'from another game', which was not the scenario presented by YCHTT), since crossgaming requires multiple games to play across.
Strider (1392 D)
09 Sep 17 UTC
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People who complain about lack of games and varients but do they start games? Current game list is dominated by tournaments... this must be causing game start ups to drop off.
Gotcha, RUFF. I thought you were setting out a distinction as if the two were different sets entirely, not crossgaming a subset of metagaming. Sorry for the confusion.
So experience meta = legal (using your knowledge of how one acts in certain scenarios to manipulate the outcome to your advantage).

Life gaming (where people who know each other IRL and choose to have unbreakable alliances or communicate outside the game as a result) = illegal

Crossgaming (except when expected meta for multi game tournaments) = illegal

External factor gaming (bourse affecting orders and such) varies from scenario to scenario and circumstance to circumstance.
The Ambassador (1639 D (B) (B))
11 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
Hi everyone - thanks to those who posted their peeves &/or +1'ed others.

I'll collate the results and Kaner and I will progressively discuss these over the coming episodes of the podcast.


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Jamie_T (895 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
Hello!
I have been banned from webDiplomacy because Zultar wants it to be a safe space for neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

You nice people will have to put up with me instead (until I get banned here, I guess).
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TheatreVarus (897 D)
09 Sep 17 UTC
Dueling
Looking for someone to play a few friendly duels on the Cold War map. Just picked the game back up and I want to get some practice in. Anyone interested can DM me.
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kaner406 (1479 D Mod (B) (B))
24 Sep 16 UTC
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I've been Boursed!!! 2016
Hi all, when Amby and I were recording our recent podcast (diplomacygames.com) the topic of Bourse came up, and I got really excited and thought that I would try to get another game of this variant running...
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d-ice (1635 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Force drawn games
Games with fixed end year are (for ranking purposes) treated like solo victories for the power with the largest SC tally (even when PPSC scoring is used). Is that intentional? Not that I think it matters much to me, but I do find it rather odd, it would seem like the more logical approach would be that they are treated as force drawn, or possibly use affect ranking differently depending on scoring system used.
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kaner406 (1479 D Mod (B) (B))
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Update regarding vPoints/Rankings
See below:
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jason4747 (839 D)
03 Sep 17 UTC
“Vietnam: Apocalypse Then” – new variant in development
I am working on a Diplomacy variant and am seeking opinions on the board and design. See below
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The Ambassador (1639 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 17 UTC
Dumb question: where is Imperium?
I felt like playing a map I haven't played in a million years: Imperium Diplomacy (http://www.vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=13)

More to follow...
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Enriador (1374 D)
26 Aug 17 UTC
Early game vs. End game
Every game of Diplomacy has two distinct phases, which mix a bit in the middle: the early game and the end game, each of them with a very different vibe and atmosphere.
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BenjaminHester (1029 D)
24 Aug 17 UTC
Oli - still out there? (re: Sengoku V6)
just posting here in case my vacation delay caused you to lose the other thread. Several responses there, including the map with names you requested.
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Vauban (1081 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
New Variant: Corsican revolt
See reply
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Enriador (1374 D)
21 Aug 17 UTC
How are Points Per Supply Center calculated?
Hello guys;

I searched the forum but did not find any information on the formula used at PPSC games. If anyone can come up with an example using the formula as well I would thank you very much.
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ScubaSteve (1123 D)
21 Aug 17 UTC
Bug in game. What action to take?
I am trying to enter a move in a variant but for some reason, the game won't allow it. I sent a message to the mods. Is there anything else I can/should do?
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00matthew2000 (2609 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
New Rinascimento Game
The password for this game is "a" (lowercase). Players are greatly desired, but be advised, several players in this game know each other in real life. We will keep communication strictly within the game as per site rules.
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Captainmeme (1399 D Mod (B))
10 Aug 17 UTC
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To Everyone in Furnace of Affliction
I'm really sorry, as I was trying to fix the Indonesia Build bug the game sent everyone into CD and cancelled itself. This was because I forgot about another bug - if you enter all holds, it counts as an NMR even if saved, so when I tried to advance the game 2 phases it assumed everyone had NMR'd twice (even though I'd set hold orders for everyone).
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Vauban (1081 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
HOW TO for variants
For anyone who wants to share their variant creating skills
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CCR (1703 D)
10 Aug 17 UTC
Furnace of Affliction
=^|
"Due to inactivity the game was abandoned and removed."
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nopunin10did (1011 D)
09 Aug 17 UTC
Cross-site advertisement: The Tournament Through Time
Just thought I'd put in a plug for the 2018 tournament that I'm running online over at the PlayDiplomacy forums. I know there are lots of variant players over here on vDip, so you might find one or more of these interesting. (Link will be in the response.)
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Cav (1153 D)
06 Aug 17 UTC
Joint Victory?
Is it possible to declare a joint victory in the game?
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BobRoss (1742 D)
10 Jul 17 UTC
Common Courtesy?
Over the past few weeks i've noticed that there is an awfully lot of NMR's and CDs happening. Many of these take place in a later stage of the game with no extended phase in place.


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Vauban (1081 D)
06 Aug 17 UTC
In-game messaging with multiple players without Global Chat
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if there is a way to send messages to multiple players without using the Global Chat. It would very practical for players that are in a 2+ people alliances as they don't need to rewrite everything again for each ally. Is there such a thing yet? If not, I hope a developper passes by and makes a note of this. Thanks!
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abadu (1263 D)
08 Jul 17 UTC
Live game nights?
More in the response:
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