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butterhead (975 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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nopunin10did (1010 D)
30 May 17 UTC
1900 for vDip: Progress Report (ongoing)
As mentioned in another thread, I've been working on the code and assets necessary to port Baron M. Powell's variant 1900 to vDip and/or webDip.

In order to keep myself accountable in some fashion to actually complete this task, and not just talk about it, I've created a small project plan where I can mark my progress.
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Devonian (1311 D)
29 Jun 15 UTC
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1v1 Tournament Rules, Rankings, and Challenges
Official Rules for 1v1 Ladder Tournament
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Argentinean Empire (877 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
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Word Association Thread
Hello! I saw a thread like this on WebDip. We start with a word, and you then post the one word that pops into your mind after you read that word. The first word is FIRST.
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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Variant Tournaments
I've really enjoyed playing variant-specific tournaments such as the Known World 15x15 currently underway.
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Jamie_T (955 D)
Wed 05 PM UTC
Hello!
I have been banned from webDiplomacy because Zultar wants it to be a safe space for neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

You nice people will have to put up with me instead (until I get banned here, I guess).
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kaner406 (1274 D Mod (B) (B))
24 Sep 16 UTC
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I've been Boursed!!! 2016
Hi all, when Amby and I were recording our recent podcast (diplomacygames.com) the topic of Bourse came up, and I got really excited and thought that I would try to get another game of this variant running...
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Known World Tournament
Awhile back, kaner proposed a Known World gunboat tournament in which 15 participants would play 15 games, one with each nation. I searched back for the thread, then just decided to start a new one. I want to see if there would be sufficient interest in this to try to get it off the ground.
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00matthew2000 (2586 D)
Wed 16 Aug UTC
New Rinascimento Game
The password for this game is "a" (lowercase). Players are greatly desired, but be advised, several players in this game know each other in real life. We will keep communication strictly within the game as per site rules.
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michael_b (997 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
Question: Adding Variant(s)
Please see reply.
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Captainmeme (1046 D Mod (B))
Thu 10 Aug UTC
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To Everyone in Furnace of Affliction
I'm really sorry, as I was trying to fix the Indonesia Build bug the game sent everyone into CD and cancelled itself. This was because I forgot about another bug - if you enter all holds, it counts as an NMR even if saved, so when I tried to advance the game 2 phases it assumed everyone had NMR'd twice (even though I'd set hold orders for everyone).
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Vauban (1006 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
HOW TO for variants
For anyone who wants to share their variant creating skills
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BenjaminHester (1000 D)
Fri 11 Aug UTC
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obsolete Sengoku variant
Hi all, designer of Sengoku here. I would love to get the latest version of Sengoku in use on this system, as it is much more balanced. Found here: http://dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Sengoku
Even if the DP system, can't be used, the version at http://nairenvorbeck.angelfire.com/ is still better than the one in use currently. Poor Mori needs a fair chance :-) Anyone willing/able to help me get these implemented?
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kaner406 (1274 D Mod (B) (B))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Update regarding vPoints/Rankings
See below:
kaner406 (1274 D Mod (B) (B))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Hi all,

Due to the number of games that this site has hosted (as well as several cancelled games) the database has gotten rather creaky, and the original algorithm that was designed to work for keeping the vRanking system working was getting overloaded. As a number of players noted, ranking and vPoints were starting to get a little bit inaccurate.

Because of this we have had to reset the rating system, and everyone's ratings are now based on games ending after 1.1.16.

Devonian (1311 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Yikes! I lost a lot of points.

But I think it's probably a good idea to rank us on our more recent games anyway.
CCR (1493 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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I understand this should be a temporary solution. The algorithm should be changed a bit. Instead of recalculating everything, the data could be consolidated after the end of every year, then the algorythm only calculate the latest games, but the rankings become permanent,
The ELO rankings are based on the chess rankings. This system is not intended to record recent games only. In its spirit is looking for the "real ranking" for each player, and alll the games should count. Thus the proposal:if the ratings of every player could be consolidated every year (a new "starting" value for each player, instead of 1000 for everyone), then wouldnt the algroythm be underloaded?
tassa (1498 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
holy fuck, seriously? i lost like 500 D
tassa (1498 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
vpoints that is
bluecthulhu (1103 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
I hope this gets fixed at some point.
Captainmeme (1046 D Mod (B))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
Bear in mind that this change applies to everyone, not just you, so losing a large amount of points won't necessarily equate to a big drop in your ranking. Additionally, a number of players who had top spots but left the site (Cypeg is an example) have dropped out of the top 100 as a result, leaving it more open to active players.
bluecthulhu (1103 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Captainmeme - This was supposed to be a lifetime ranking. There are plenty of players with a longterm outlook who take a break and then come back. I had been working for years on my ranking only to see it get destroyed. I am not going to throw a tantrum or anything like that but this one move sucked away some of my competitive drive on this website unfortunately.
The Ambassador (1283 D (B) (B))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
WTF? I've dropped from 30 something to 50 in the HOF. Screw this, I'm not buying Kaner any more drinks in the pub ever again.

(tongue in cheek)
CCR (1493 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Cpt. Meme argues that 1500v used to put you in top100, now if you're 1500v+ then you're top20. But it makes no sense keeping an ELO-based ranking for recent results only!

I say it again: it seems easy to fix. If the ratings data were consolidated after the end of every year (a new "starting" value for each existing player), then the algorythm only calculate from the latest games, but the ratings become permanent.
Oli (988 D Mod (P))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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@CCR I might change this. But it requires a bit more coding...
So expect some more changes in the next few weeks...
tantrumizer (1761 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
I will enjoy my temporary stay in the top 10 then. :-) Anyway, it is great to see progress on this and thanks to all who have worked on it.
Hirnsaege (1784 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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I think both are interesting numbers actually ...
- a lifetime ELO rating like it used to be (that needs some event or timer based additive calculation though for long term, as found out).
- a "the last x year(s)" ranking that honours currently strong players ... (that would mean a constant re-calculation thought that could cause server load too, so maybe it could be a monthly updated statistic or so?)

transforming the ELO ranking directly to a cut-the-past-off ranking of course will cause frustration from a play theory perspective ... rewards taken away never feel good, even with good reason.

Knowing the complexity of such databases and scripts, we all should understand this takes some time though to fix.
Mapu (1261 D (B))
Sat 12 Aug UTC
There goes 1000 D....
CCR (1493 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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@Oli if you'll lean into coding, then why not take a closer look to this proposal:
The vranking regarding Replacement Policy should be improved; specially benefic to the whole community as general stimulous for replacing condemned powers.
The simple rule "in the case of a replacement player, he would NOT lower his rating based on that game -- it would remain unchanged."
Under the current system, good players who praise the ranking do not take over CD'ed powers, even with good sc count, if that power is in a bad tactical/diplomatic position!
RUFFHAUS 8 (1000 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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Oli, why not just start over from scratch? This Matthew cat at the is never going to play again. He's going to rest on the one dubiously freakish 1,200 point win he got. No one will ever surpass that. The Elo ratings need a serious overhaul. Why not take a look at this and reset them from the beginning?
Devonian (1311 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
CCR, There are no condemned powers, only powers in very weak positions.

That being said, powers in very weak positions, have a very low expectation and are penalized less than a power that is in a strong position.

see page 2 of this thread, near the bottom where oli explains it:
http://vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=59573&page-thread=2#threadPager
CCR (1493 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
Devonian, somoene with 2000v pts would not join as replacement to get a 3-way dray, it would even worse their ratings, if among average players, or even a 4-way ina well rated game. And yes most CD's are condemned powers. I use to take over on webdip m and here too, and most times for elimination.

I have read through that thread and I found out that the replacement policy could be developed
I did find this: Forum - thread: VDiplomacy Points
at the second page of this thread, link here:
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=59573&page-thread=2#threadPager
LogicCure asked about the replacement policy (post on 26 Feb 2015)
I read it through, specially Oli's 2nd reply to this, the post starting with "The takeover is rated depending on..."
I believe the vranking regarding Replacement Policy should be improved.
zurn (1175 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
Some people have mentioned the virtues of having a "recent-only ELO". Of course this would be disappointing to some. Maybe there needs to be an "all-time" list *and* a "recent" list? Always displayed side by side.

But maybe even better than a "recent" cutoff would be rating decay, as used in the Glicko system, which was developed as a replacement for Elo and addresses some of its supposed deficiencies. More about that here: https://www.chess.com/blog/kurtgodden/elo-to-glicko-your-rating-explained
300 D lost? Really? What the fuck!?
BobRoss (1675 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
Whilst I am probably one of the few players to see his vranking increase again (as I was one of the 'victims' of the bug that occurred a few weeks ago) and I am glad to be back in the hall of fame, I actually would like for at least the all time ranking to be back into place again. I am most certainly for my #20 position in this new hall of fame, but it most certainly does not reflect the great quality and skill of some players that have been around for a much longer time. They are much more interesting opponents for me than I am for them ;-)

In any case a thank you for trying to fix the vranking problem that has been around for a while now.

One question remains for me: Even though the ranking system has been updated to games 01-01-2016 and after, there is still one game i've played that seems to be extremely bugged regarding ranking:

http://vdiplomacy.com/hof.php?gameID=31368

I solo'd this Rinascimento game but got zero vranking points for the game. Neither did the losing and surviving players see a decrease in their ranking. Whilst revamping the ranking system in general is top priority, I hope that perhaps at some point this game specifically can also looked at.
Devonian (1311 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
CCR,


If a 2000v pts player ends in a 3 way draw, it would have been better for him if he entered as a replacement with a weak position than to start at the beginning. The vdip rating accounts for the poor starting position.

As far as takeovers being condemned, I agree that they are more likely to lose, but they are not condemned. I have come back from taking over 1 and 2 sc's to participating in a draw.

Besides, do you really think we have a problem with games that have been abandoned and not taken over. There are very few games available to be taken over. (only 1 game as of this writing) Our Reliability Rating corrects that problem; which is the more appropriate way to deal with it. If we give incentives on a "skill" rating, the skill rating of the player might be inappropriately manipulated.

Devonian (1311 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
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BobRoss,

http://vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?threadID=38097&page-thread=24#threadPager

Leif_Syverson (1079 D Mod)
New 14 Apr 2013
"Just FYI, Rinascimento is intentionally (whether agreed by all as good or bad) not included in the points system because of the perceived initial imbalance. Every outcome for this variant results in no net change in ranking."
BobRoss (1675 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
I had absolutely no knowledge of that, thanks for the clarification Devonian!


Devonian (1311 D)
Sat 12 Aug UTC
There are a lot of things that are not very clear about the rating. I wish there was a FAQ on it somewhere.


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CCR (1493 D)
Thu 10 Aug UTC
Furnace of Affliction
=^|
"Due to inactivity the game was abandoned and removed."
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nopunin10did (1010 D)
Wed 09 Aug UTC
Cross-site advertisement: The Tournament Through Time
Just thought I'd put in a plug for the 2018 tournament that I'm running online over at the PlayDiplomacy forums. I know there are lots of variant players over here on vDip, so you might find one or more of these interesting. (Link will be in the response.)
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Cav (1000 D)
Sun 06 Aug UTC
Joint Victory?
Is it possible to declare a joint victory in the game?
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BobRoss (1675 D)
10 Jul 17 UTC
Common Courtesy?
Over the past few weeks i've noticed that there is an awfully lot of NMR's and CDs happening. Many of these take place in a later stage of the game with no extended phase in place.


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Vauban (1006 D)
Sun 06 Aug UTC
In-game messaging with multiple players without Global Chat
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if there is a way to send messages to multiple players without using the Global Chat. It would very practical for players that are in a 2+ people alliances as they don't need to rewrite everything again for each ally. Is there such a thing yet? If not, I hope a developper passes by and makes a note of this. Thanks!
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abadu (1269 D)
08 Jul 17 UTC
Live game nights?
More in the response:
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The Ambassador (1283 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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Vauban (1006 D)
30 Jul 17 UTC
3 missing players for Dutch Revolt game
Hello everyone! We have started a "Dutch Revolt" yesterday, and we would need 3 more players to join in. Here is the URL:
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=31738#gamePanel
Thanks!
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Spartan22 (996 D (B))
27 Jul 17 UTC
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2 Year Hiatus... But I'm back!
Whether you remember me or not...
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zurn (1175 D)
26 Jul 17 UTC
Public messages hidden from non-players
I noticed public messages in games are hidden from non-players, even for finished games. Does anyone know if this was a deliberate decision on vDip? On webDip these are visible to non-players, which is interesting for looking at the player dynamic or end of game commentary.
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hellenic_riot (1000 D)
02 May 17 UTC
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Banned From Web Diplomacy?
Hello new friends! I was banned from Web Diplomacy.

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Anon (?? D)
26 Jul 17 UTC
WWIV Game
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=31690
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ubercacher16 (1057 D)
26 Jul 17 UTC
WWIV Game
See below.
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Anon (?? D)
23 Jul 17 UTC
replacement on mars needed – all chances still intact!
this game just really started: gameID=31572
one of the players left after a successful first turn, so anyone who takes over will have all chances and options still available – including 3 builds to place right away.
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fasces349 (1058 D)
26 Dec 10 UTC
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Advertise live games here
Like in webdiplo, this thread will be used to help people find live games
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