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Hypoguy (1613 D)
03 May 17 UTC
Sengoku - Want to join?
Anyone interested in a game of Sengoku Jidai? Medieval Japan. Post here if you want to join, and what preferences you have for anon, phase length, etc.
http://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=27
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Carebear (1000 D)
07 May 17 UTC
Online Diplomacy Championship - Second Round Signup
The deadline to signup for the second round of the Online Diplomacy Championship @ PDET 2017 will be May 19 with games starting shortly there after. Players who did not participate in the first round may join the second round.
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gjdip (1503 D)
06 May 17 UTC
Problems with World War II large map?
Is anoyone else having problems with the large map in World War II games? I get: This page isn’t working. vdiplomacy.com is currently unable to handle this request. HTTP ERROR 500.
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kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
03 May 17 UTC
I was thinking about making a second account...
Here's a few...
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Captainmeme (1400 D Mod (B))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Reminder: ALWAYS check the settings of games you join!
Hi all,
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
25 Oct 16 UTC
The Exploration game, episode III
One year ago we’ve tested this special rule game based on the Fog of War format.
I have to say that it’s been a fun game with original dynamics.
Details below
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Bourse development and discussion thread.
This summer, I plan to develop Phase I of four phases in a Bourse gaming system to expand the gaming experience without over taxing the game director. This thread is to discuss the phases and how the various features should be implemented.
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Strider (1604 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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Anzac Day remembrance
Waking for this Anzac Days dawn service reminds me why we should not forget WWI. With threats of agression again escalating has nothing been learnt!
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Mitomon (2004 D)
17 Apr 17 UTC
Diplomacy: Is Germany Too Weak?
I noticed that Germany is considerably weaker in Diplomacy than it's historical counterpart. In game, Germany can very easily be knocked out by England and France. However, historically Germany was able to fight competently on three separate fronts. Does anybody feel that Germany is a little misrepresented in game?
More importantly, are there any variants that address this?
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Mitomon (2004 D)
17 Apr 17 UTC
What is your favorite board game?
I heard you guys like to play Risk.
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
19 Apr 17 UTC
Feedback for 1v1 Cold War on WWIV map
Hi folks, some of you may have heard me talk on the podcast about bringing the WWIV map to a Cold War circa 1984 1v1 variant. Interested in your thoughts about whether I use the standard WWIV map, the v6.2 version (is there any actual difference in the map itself?) or whether the sealane version would be better. Thoughts?
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The Problem Thread
This thread is if you have a problem you post and then everyone will try to help you with your problem.
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Happy Rome Day
since today (April 21) is Rome's 2770th birthday, I thought it would be nice to fill this thread with stories of the glory of Rome:
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The Muting Thread
This is the thread that everyone mutes.
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Captainmeme (1400 D Mod (B))
01 Apr 17 UTC
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ON VDIPLOMACY'S FUTURE
Please see within for details on the vDiplomacy Referendum.
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
28 Jan 16 UTC
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Can't stop the Trump
Does anyone here has a clue as to why Donald Trump is boycotting the latest republican debate? Seems to have only downsides and risks without a real gain to me. Enlighten me please.
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
31 Jan 16 UTC
When there are fixed election cycles, one can hold open primaries and the power to select candidates can be taken away from party central offices. This thread is explicitly about the fact that Donald Trump is positioned to possibly seize the presidential nomination of a party with which he has never had much meaningful association. So your first paragraph seems odd to say the least.

As for the Electoral College, first, your assertion would seem to imply that the possibility of more than 50% of voters in a representative district being assumed to be represented by someone they did not vote for is somehow nonsensical, and second, the states can decide to allocate their electoral votes through whatever system they desire. On a game theoretical level, the system is driven at the first mover level by the smallest states. If Delaware guarantied a net one vote return regardless of outcome instead of a net three votes to a winner, then national candidates would completely ignore the state. As states get larger, they adopt the same strategy to maximize their impact. By iteration, the dominating strategy gets adopted by every state (minus two). the outcome is what is called a Nash Equilibrium.

As an extension of the first point, in the US, supporters of the Democratic Party are much more likely to live in ideologically homogeneous areas compared to supporters of the Republican Party, and therefore, "safe" Democratic Congressional districts tend to be much more crowded with Democrats than "safe" Republican districts absent any gerrymandering, so any localized district voting system will favor the Republican Party in the US.
ingebot (1950 D)
01 Feb 16 UTC
Anyone from Iowa here?
kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
02 Feb 16 UTC
Anyone admit to coming from Iowa here?
Imagonnalose (992 D)
02 Feb 16 UTC
i used to live there.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
02 Feb 16 UTC
I'm next door.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
02 Feb 16 UTC
Oh and, I almost forgot....

WHO HATES IOWA?!!!
WE HATE IOWA!!!!
(presumably because we can't beat Michigan or Wisconsin any more)
ingebot (1950 D)
02 Feb 16 UTC
The sheer number of TRUMP BTFO circulating online right now is overwhelming.
As is the amount of hate for Iowa from all corners.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
02 Feb 16 UTC
It was well commented upon three months ago that Cruz had built the best ground game infrastructure in Iowa and was likely to win. The big surprise was Rubio being as strong in third place. "Not Trump"/"Not Cruz" people were expected to move to him late, but he has seemingly been short on cash and his local ground game seemed worthy of mockery. So the collapse of the "everybody else" in favor of Rubio being sufficient to almost make up for a 50% increase in turnout would seem to be the take way.
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
03 Feb 16 UTC
The Australian voting system is hardly ideal, but at least it is much more democratic than America's. Each vote is counted and you can vote for anyone and the person with the largest amount of votes in each electorate wins the seat. If the winning party doesn't hold the majority of seats in parliament they can't form government and it's likely to be repeated (unless they can gain support from independents).
It's also compulsory to vote. If you don't show up at the polls and you're a registered voter, you get fined. In 2013 I was fined twice to a tune of around $250 for missing the state vote and then failing to show up two months later for a bi-election because the incumbent our state premier (equivalent of US Governors) lost her seat and it was re-contested.
In 2013 Australia voted in the majority for a complete drop-kick (google Tony Abbott) in order to oust the incumbent Labor party who had changed Prime Ministers twice due to in-fighting.
Ha ha AKeeFa we're in the same electorate then! (Jackie Trad your local state member too?)

I wouldn't put our system on a pedestal. There are good things with it, but that said I quite like a lot of aspects of the American system.
mouse (1776 D)
03 Feb 16 UTC
Eh, comparing our general elections with the American presidential election doesn't quite match up. If we keep to comparison between respective house of representatives, the main difference is the deliberate (and successful, by my understanding) attempt to prevent gerrymandering by passing such matters to an independent commission. Well, that and we use preferential voting, rather than first past the post.

If you want a comparison to the Presidential election, the Governor-General is basically appointed by the PM at the time saying "Your Majesty, we believe this person is best suited for the position" and the Queen going "sure". I'm sure any (Australian) republican will tell you that the American system, much as we disagree with it, is infinitely preferable to that.
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
03 Feb 16 UTC
I moved from that electorate around the same time. I don't even remember which joker I voted for last, just that it was Labor. I'm in the public service so I wanted Newman gone. Good riddance to the little meer cat.
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
03 Feb 16 UTC
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I don't like one thing about the American system. Although I'd rather have a democratically elected President as head of state. Corruption abounds everywhere but Congress is obviously owned by corporations, bankers and special interest groups. How can a country claim to be democratic when someone wins the majority of the votes but is still not elected President? A very high percentage of Americans don't understand it.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
03 Feb 16 UTC
Democratic except for that little bit about not getting any say in picking the candidates. The central distinguishing feature of the US system is that we implemented open primaries more than a hundred years ago.

Also I am fairly certain that it is easily possible to distribute votes across legislative districts in Australia in such a manner as to generate a legislative majority with an electoral minority. The US has made the choice to overweight the votes of small states which is largely in line with what is called the Connecticut Compromise from our founding. The US has had two Presidents since 1880 who lost the popular vote, but many Presidents have failed to win the majority of votes. Were our system slightly different, then George W. Bush would have campaigned more in Texas to run up the score there and less in places like Tennessee. Bill Clinton getting elected in 1992 was much more of an issue in terms of ethical idealism as he got literally no votes beyond the absolute hardcore of his party, which was much less popular among independents. He was the third choice of the largest bloc of voters, kind of like Mrs. Thatcher.

Obligatory voting is morally wrong on so many levels one scarcely knows where to begin in criticizing it.

As for Congress being "owned" by "corporations, bankers and special interest groups", I will point out that Eric Cantor was defeated by his own party in Virginia last cycle, which I am fairly sure has never and can never happen in Australia, and Boehner just got driven out himself largely by the grassroots activists.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
03 Feb 16 UTC
In case you are unaware, Hillary Clinton got more votes in 2008 than did Barack Obama. I am unaware of there being "many Americans" who "just don't understand" how he got the Democratic nomination or think him legitimate as a President on that account.
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
03 Feb 16 UTC
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@Gopher. I don't understand your point regarding Eric Cantor being defeated by his own party. How does that argue the point I made about political corruption in the US? I made a point about party cannibalism in Australia too. Leaders are often tossed out if they don't toe the corporate line. I was unaware of the Obama vs Clinton numbers. I was referring to the Bush vs Gore debacle. For the record, I think it doesn't matter who is elected anywhere, Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Labor, Left or Right, etc. Money wins elections and money calls the shots.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
03 Feb 16 UTC
Cantor was the opposite. He was corporate America's best friend and got tossed by the primary voters in his own party as a result. Boehner was run out of Congress by the Tea Party people who at least briefly managed to kill the Import-Export Bank, a symbolically important institution dedicated explicitly to crony capitalism and corporate welfare.

Gore did not get a majority of the vote or even terribly close to it. Between Papa Bush in 1988 and Dubya in 2004, every President won as a minority President.

I would suggest that you read the Federalist Papers. James Madison said that he designed the American system precisely with the assumption that special interests would always exist and always try to corrupt government. You are making the logical fallacy that the Beards (historians at my alma mater) made a hundred years ago. Economics interests are not monolithic.
mouse (1776 D)
04 Feb 16 UTC
I would certainly like to hear more about how enforcing giving a fuck about how your government is run is "morally wrong on so many levels".
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
04 Feb 16 UTC
I'm interested in that too Mouse
kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
04 Feb 16 UTC
most likely we'll get some guff about how enforcing ignorant people to vote skews the results of any given election...
Interestingly I intend to vote informal at the next election (well actually the state referendum during the local elections) just to make a point. No-one will give a shit but I'll feel at least for a split second a few scrutineers will see a small show of defiance.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
04 Feb 16 UTC
It centers on the moral and ethical difference between rights and obligations. One cannot force any person to "give a fuck" about anything. Does the phrase "charity begins at home" exist in Australian idiomatic English?
mouse (1776 D)
04 Feb 16 UTC
It does, but I fail to see how it has any impact on either the right to vote or the obligation to show up at a polling booth at some point in the fortnight of so before an election to get your name ticked off.

Caring how the country is run is a civic duty. Else you end up with either an extreme minority dictating to the rest of the populace, or effective anarchy. Neither of which are beneficial to the vast majority of citizens of a country.
AKeeFaTheHun (1078 D)
05 Feb 16 UTC
Why wouldn't it exist...They're english words and a very old saying regarding generosity which does not actually classify as an 'idiom'. It is an oft misused saying though! Or are you just trying to bamboozle with smart sounding words? And an irrelevant point to make regarding this discussion.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
05 Feb 16 UTC
"Caring" cannot be created by decree and your calling it a "duty" makes my point. The freedom to not care is a right and is what "liberalism" in its philosophical sense is all about.

Actually it does. Google search the phrase in quotation marks and the first listed result is "Idiom Definition by Free Dictionary".
Caerus (1470 D)
05 Feb 16 UTC
AKeeFa, let's not attack each other. That is what the games are for!

Not to put words in Gopher's mouth, but perhaps he is missing the same thing I a missing: where does compulsory voting become "giving a fuck".

As an example, I am an American and actively decline to vote. However, I can name at least three friends who do vote, "because they should", how are less knowledgable and care less than I do. I don't think compulsion and passion have any causal link.
spyman (1072 D)
07 Feb 16 UTC
The main advantage of compulsory voting is it guards against the possibility of voting manipulation by intimidation. For example, a particular ethnic group with known voting tendencies might "encouraged" to stay away on voting day.
Caerus (1470 D)
07 Feb 16 UTC
I see. While quite different from "giving a fuck", I can see how it could be advantageous in that way. "I don't want anyone to take your cake, so I am forcing you to eat it."

mouse (1776 D)
07 Feb 16 UTC
Attacking people? Really? Looks to me like an accurate description of arguing style, given other observed posts. Not necessarily a bad thing, even - it's often quite an effective style of argument.

Citizens do have a duty to elect a functioning government. If you want to live in anything more organised than complete anarchy, you have a duty to maintain that state. If you've no intent to contribute to the maintenance of law, why should you have any right to its protection?
Caerus (1470 D)
07 Feb 16 UTC
Interesting. I had always assumed that the the cost of security was foregone freedoms (i.e. The cost of my protection from violent assault is choosing to not commit violent assault and not breaking other laws).

As for you "duty" to vote, there are numerous opposing opinions. For example: this columnist [1] points out the legitimacy of choosing not to vote on matters that you are not knowledgeable. This Paper [2] discusses the differences between "a right denied to you or taken away..." vs "relinquish it voluntarily". I can't remember where I read this but I remember somewhere discussing what happens when we vote in an election that we are ignorant of. He pointed out that f we do not honestly know which outcome is better, we are trusting our fellow citizens to make the proper choice. If that is the case, we may have unwittingly voted against the best outcome for ourselves, but that is often an acceptable risk due to the insanely low impact any one vote has on elections. Actively choosing to not vote on matters that you are unfamiliar with (i.e. tax increases, school board superintendent, amendments to local law regarding dog ownership, when you have always had cats, etc.) actually mitigates the aforementioned risk. If that is an acceptable practice in smaller matters, where the risk of getting it wrong is minor, how then is it not an acceptable response in larger matters where the correct response is paramount.


Mentioned above:
[1] https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/10/27/jacoby/PiV0sbV2bXf6OQAToXalxM/story.html

[2] http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i9464.pdf

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Anon (?? D)
09 Apr 17 UTC
KING OF GUNBOAT
gameID=30786 2 day phases 100pt bet WTA Anon gunboat
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Matticus13 (1300 D)
15 Apr 17 UTC
Seeking replacement for Shift Right variant game
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30376#gamePanel

Looking for a replacement for Italy (me). The current position is pretty stable. I'm looking to eliminate all of my press games due to time constraints.
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
08 Mar 17 UTC
Live video feed podcast?
Hi folks - Kaner and I are getting together this time next week for another boozy Dip chat.
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Captainmeme (1400 D Mod (B))
11 Apr 17 UTC
The Original Diplomacy Variant
As many of you know, the Calhamer estate is being liquidated and the very first self-published Diplomacy board sold for just over $5000 last week. Well, something else interesting from the same sale - a bunch of prototype maps, these likely being from several years before the game was published.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262922746919
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
29 Mar 17 UTC
Calhamer Estate Sale
See below.
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kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
03 Apr 17 UTC
Sitter needed!!
For 7 days, ongoing bourse game. 1 SC power, 3 day phases, no bourse orders needed, only a hotbod to look after the unit on the board. PM me or reply on this thread. Thanks!
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MerlijnvL (941 D)
31 Mar 17 UTC
Hallo
Hallo
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didigoose (1532 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
Hof Points Question
I have 2 questions related to the Hof point calculation

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zurn (1178 D)
28 Mar 17 UTC
Minor map issues
Is anybody able to make minor cosmetic map changes to the variants, for readability? There's two small things I've noticed:

* Imperial Diplomacy II: there's a connection between Morocco and W. Med, but the map really doesn't show it.
* First Crusade: The Sardinia supply centre in the large map is placed in an odd, almost invisible spot.
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Oztra (869 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
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WebDip members on here
Hi Guys,
just wondering how many people that are from webdip come over here and do stuffs
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Matticus13 (1300 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
36 hour GB, Classic map
Classic/Gunboat/36 hour/Anon/Bet: 25. One or two games. List your preference and add your name to sign up. RR +90 preferred. I will create the game(s) and PM password when full. FITE ME ;)
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Anon (?? D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Looking for a replacement player
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30436
Fall of year 1, still solid position to play France here.
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
19 Oct 16 UTC
V-dip players Map
http://goo.gl/maps/EPgiV
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
14 Mar 17 UTC
Where is the draw button?
I'm in a "friends" game of Imperial (http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=28912), and I can't for the life of me find any button to either propose a draw or vote on one.
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