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Macca573 (1532 D)
18 Apr 22 UTC
Around the World 2
As some of you may remember, I ran the "Around the World" tournament 2 years ago (visible on Tournaments page). I'm looking at perhaps doing it again, depending on interest. What do y'all think?
JECE (1534 D)
18 Apr 22 UTC
Where is the Tournaments page?
JECE (1534 D)
18 Apr 22 UTC
Found it:
https://vdiplomacy.net/tournaments.php
Macca, as a matter of interest for players, if they're keen where do they go to sign up as the tournaments.php page lists the details of the last Around the World tournament.
Macca573 (1532 D)
24 Apr 22 UTC
If they're keen, post here. Once I have at least 8 keen people, I'll speak to the mods about setting up the back end.
Macca573 (1532 D)
24 Apr 22 UTC
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Should I add you to the list?
I need a few games to end first. Sorry but I'll sit on the sidelines until things are a little clearer.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
24 Apr 22 UTC
This feels like it is just an intentional attempt to distract people from the Winning thread in order to bury it in hopes of it eventually locking with the Australian coalition winning.

BTW, the Winning thread would need to fall onto like the 5th or 6th page of threads in the forum.
butterhead (1169 D)
25 Apr 22 UTC
I see the game results on the tournaments page but I’m not seeing a discription of what the tournament actually is, like rules, description, etc. can you explain a bit more in detail? I might be interested!
Macca573 (1532 D)
25 Apr 22 UTC
I pulled this from the details section, and made it a little for readable. There's nothing too fancy, it's just 6 games, with scoring between them.


Played across 6 rounds, each map is a different continent taking the players around the world.

The Maps are:
Africa
Mate against Mate
Sengoku
South American Supremecy
USA
Who controls America

Scoring: Carnage-Fibonacci:
Solo gets 5400
Draw ranks players by SC count then year of elimination (later is better)
1st 2100
2nd 1300
3rd 800
4th 500
5th 300
6th 200
7th 100
8th 100
Macca573 (1532 D)
25 Apr 22 UTC
One thing that has changed from last time is that each game will be set as unranked. This will be a great way to play competitive games without risking your V-ranking.
Macca573 (1532 D)
25 Apr 22 UTC
Also the required rating is flexible.
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
25 Apr 22 UTC
I presume that the point is to match the number of players. I find USA aesthetically off putting. Europe 1939 requires 8 players.
butterhead (1169 D)
25 Apr 22 UTC
Ok well then with that being said:

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BTW, will the games be unranked?
Macca573 (1532 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
The games themselves will be unranked, yes.
Macca573 (1532 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
@Gopher
My worry is balance. The stats for USA are quite close. I think it's important for a tournament that all the maps a pretty balanced.

3.39-1.68=1.71 (Europe 1939)
2.92-1.92=1.00 (USA)

Open to feedback though.
rainau (1074 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
29 Apr 22 UTC
3.59-1.02=2.57 (Mate Against Mate)

You could use the assignment from one game to allocate powers in the other games to create cumulative balance. Plus given the experience of the players likely to join this tournament and the multigame nature of the endeavor, building coalitions against a distinctly advantaged power should not be that difficult.
ubercacher16 (1510 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
I'm very in.
ubercacher16 (1510 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
3. ubercacher16
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ubercacher16 (1510 D)
29 Apr 22 UTC
I wouldn't mind switching up the maps where possible. Is there not another 8 player map for North America?
gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
29 Apr 22 UTC
Only map for Australia has 8 players, and there is only one 8 player map for North America.
ubercacher16 (1510 D)
Sat 07 May UTC
Very sad
General Treanor (950 D)
Mon 09 May UTC
(+1)
Hey Macca,
Just listened to you talk about this on the diplomacy games podcast. I would be keen on giving it a go :)
Macca573 (1532 D)
Tue 10 May UTC
Love to have you General Treanor!
Macca573 (1532 D)
Tue 10 May UTC
1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
3. ubercacher16
4. General Treanor
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M Shadow (988 D)
Tue 10 May UTC
1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
3. ubercacher16
4. General Treanor
5. M Shadow
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Looking Forward to this!
butterhead (1169 D)
Thu 12 May UTC
Bumpity
The Ambassador (1840 D (B))
Fri 13 May UTC
Macca, some of my games are easing up. How many concurrent games would we play in the tournament? If no more than 2 I'm in.
Macca573 (1532 D)
Sat 14 May UTC
It'll be no more than two.
The Ambassador (1840 D (B))
Sat 14 May UTC
Excellent, count me in then.

1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
3. ubercacher16
4. General Treanor
5. M Shadow
6. Amby
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rainau (1074 D)
Mon 16 May UTC
Bump
Sounds like a fun one, I'd be down. How long will phases be? My personal preference is 1d12h

1. Butterhead
2. Rainau
3. ubercacher16
4. General Treanor
5. M Shadow
6. Amby
7. xXDoritoJunkieXx
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butterhead (1169 D)
Fri 11 PM UTC
Can we get one more brave soul?!
JacobL582 (2121 D)
Fri 11 PM UTC
I would try to defend my runner up title… but I just hate that Who Controls America map so much. And I’m in too many games already
As the variant creator (not that we can actually make/edit maps currently on vDip), what aspect of it puts you off it Jacob? Interested to know.
I forgot that was yours. I would say I dislike it as a symmetrical map with the checkerboard of spaces. I personally would have liked it if there was some asymmetry, all wedges still with 3 SCs, just some factions clustered further out from the center, some closer in, etc to influence the decision making a bit. But that's just me. It's more pure diplomacy with the checkerboard, that just isn't my strength as a player
JacobL582 (2121 D)
Sat 03 AM UTC
@Amby: apologies, no offense intended. Like DoritoJunkie said, it doesn’t play to my strengths. I consider myself especially good at diagnosing the critical locations on a new map and adjusting play to gain those before others do. This small tactical advantage often plays a large factor in success. It’s why I enjoy playing variants so much. In Classic, everyone knows how important English Channel/Burgundy/Black Sea/Galicia/etc are. But with a map so symmetric, all the spots are of somewhat equal value and my advantage is negated.

Also I think I still have a bitter taste in my mouth because at this stage of the tournament last time, I needed a solo to jump from second to first. All Uber needed to do was prevent a solo. That is incredibly easy to accomplish on this map…
Thanks guys. Kind of hard to fix when the intent was to create it to iron out things to make it equal. Do really appreciate the feedback though! Will keep that in mind when variants can be created here again and I make a new one.
JacobL582 (2121 D)
Sat 03 AM UTC
Yeah absolutely. I think the variant accomplished its intent. But not every person will enjoy every variant, and that’s perfectly fine!
JacobL582 (2121 D)
Sat 03 AM UTC
On the plus side, I enjoyed the territory names - very clever and amusing!
Haha, probably some territory names need to be given a 2022 update!
rainau (1074 D)
Sat 11 AM UTC
To add to this: I find it more entertaining to play as nation-states in variants, rather than political entitites. It's fun to imagine armies and navies moving just as you've ordered, creating alternate histories of the past or of the present. Whereas for ideological wars, such as in 'Who controls America', it is difficult for me to visualize the "patriot" unit moving and occupying an area, even though I fully understand what is implied with each territory. No offense to those who like the variant, but it's just not something I would be excited to play. Of course, I can cope with it being included in the tournament due to the player count. It is a balanced variant, after all.
butterhead (1169 D)
Sat 09 PM UTC
Jacob- sounds like you need to try to improve your runner up title, not just defend it! Let’s do it, join up! No such thing as too many games!(j.k, I know there is because that used to be me, 13+ games at a time overextending myself, if you really think it’s too many I get ya, but it would be a pleasure to have you!)
Perhaps we start with Who Controls America so it can’t effect the final calculus as much as it did last time.
I was quite pleased that it was the last variant since my solo made it nearly impossible for Jacob to catch me.

There are a couple other 8p Europe variants, maybe we consider another one of those? Just to shake things up a little?
And on phase lengths, 36h is an absolute minimum for me. 48 is preferable
Perhaps Karibik could count for North America? I know it’s half south. Viking Dip is also an option for Europe which is nicer than USA
JacobL582 (2121 D)
08:52 PM UTC
Also, I’m still a little salty about your solo on the South American variant… we had you stopped, but somebody messed it up for no good reason (I forget who/the exact circumstances, it was a long time ago)


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12 Mar 11 UTC
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Agnaar (2697 D)
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Agnaar, world champion of Europa Renovatio!! :)
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Is there any other maps that have something like this?
Cheers
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