Can you make it 1 day 1 hour? The 1 hour doesn't make much difference to overall speed but it can help if you only come on at one time of day and you're delayed.

is 1 day 1 hour good with everyone?
and Shep, I'm sure we can make sure you get wiped out nice and quickly... lol... no, we will just play as far as we can and then pause... as a matter of fact, thinking about it, I hope my hotel has free internet, since I will be gone for a few days next week...

And yeah, I remembered the problem with MD2 is that it has no Austria anyway, so it'd make it too hard for axis unless you put Ukraine on their side.

So far we have:
butterhead
canaduh
Hellenic Riot
mongoose
Stukus
fasces
ezpickens
ashleygirl
Shep???

this reminds me of the time I played with the WWIV map and colored it to look like WW 2 lol
yeah I guess im in, I only have 4 games going right now and 2 of them might be ending soon, the other is the massive paused game

haha, the massive paused game that will possibly never restart. lol...
So far we have:
butterhead
canaduh
Hellenic Riot
mongoose
Stukus
fasces
ezpickens
ashleygirl
Shep

Might I advise that you guys use the Modern Diplomacy map instead? Ironically it fits WWII better.

Your teams would be:

Allies: Britain, France, Poland, Egypt
Axis: Germany, Spain, Italy
Neutral: Russia, Ukraine, Turkey

Did you not read? NO Modern DIplomacy map...

that could be complicated too, I mean historically Ukraine would have to go on whatever side Russia did, which raises a point I talked about on another thread, we need a WW 2 variant

If there's room for me, I'd be interested.

So far we have:
butterhead
canaduh
Hellenic Riot
mongoose
Stukus
fasces
ezpickens
ashleygirl
Shep
TBroadley

10 down, 1 to go...

I said that in light of your objections.

count me in.

Ok, Kaner makes 11, we will start Sunday around 6:30

so that's 8:30 am Monday for those of us on the Australian East Coast.

"that could be complicated too, I mean historically Ukraine would have to go on whatever side Russia did, which raises a point I talked about on another thread, we need a WW 2 variant"

No, it wouldn't. Ukraine itself was heavily torn between anti-USSR and anti-NSDAP factions during WWII. Frankly, Ukraine hated both, and for good reason, because both treated Ukraine like total shit. You had a sizable resistance movement in Ukraine that fought BOTH groups trying to maintain Ukraine as an independent nation-state.

Yeah but this game is set up like an actually government and Ukraine was officially Soviet, technically most Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis as liberators until they started killing civilians and deporting Jews, I mean yes they had anti-soviet partisans as well as anti-nazi ones but realistically they arent gonna be able to conquer moscow and berlin and destroy the two factions they hate

Except that Ukraine was, in 1944, granted the right to establish independent relations with other countries and to maintain its own army. This was indeed mostly nominal, as the USSR maintained practical control of the Ukrainian SSR's affairs, but the fact that the Ukr. SSR had its own vote in the UN and separate UN membership makes it such that it's not unrealistic to represent Ukraine independently.

It makes a lot more sense than having Portugal/Spain/Tunisia, Belgium/Holland/Ruhr and Rumania/Serbia/Bulgaria/Greece operating as cohesive states when there was never any such precedent for this in history.

Furthermore, the Modern map makes more sense with regard to the Hungarian plain region. In WWII that area of Europe consisted of a bunch of lesser powers which were promptly swallowed up by whatever forces showed up. The Modern map reflects this; the Crowded map creates a Great Power that simply didn't exist at the time. Combined with the existence of the Lowlands as an equal to Germany's military, you're never going to see a remotely realistic representation on that Crowded map.

Hence why I recommend the Modern map, despite certain people's distaste for it. It's obviously y'all's call, but I feel like if you want a more authentic WWII experience you'd take the Modern map.

Don't care what you think Pres. they signed up KNOWING it was crowded, not Modern, and all wanted to try it... therefore, that is what we are doing.

Yes but the key fact in all you said is the it happened in 1944 5 years after the wars start and 3 years after the invasion, plus like you said it was nominal as in they go against me, they get brutal invasion by the red army, i honestly think 1897 would work better Germany gets his 3 home centers and Vienna, Austria gets Budapest, Bulgaria, Rumania at least since that would represent the German satellites of Southeastern Europe, although what year are you using as a start date 1939 or 1941?

So hostile for absolutely no reason.

@Shep: No, the "key fact" in all I said is that Ukraine's somewhat-inaccurate level of autonomy is still miles ahead of "let's make the Lowlands + Ruhr, the Hungarian plain and Iberia + Tunis Great Powers in WWII."

"It makes a lot more sense than having Portugal/Spain/Tunisia, operate as cohesive states when there was never any such precedent for this in history"

Well, at one point in history Spain and Portugal did unify...;)

But yes, I agree with the rest. I'm happy to try crowded, but I might do one of my home afterwards on MD2 and test that out. Egypt being in it would also make the north african theatre, which was pretty important in WW2 (First proper axis defeat), available.

Lets try crowded before we pass judgement though.

I'm a bit turned off by the hostility here. I'm going to back out of the game.

http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/dip/1939/
how does this map look to you guys? i think it could be modified somewhat to make Serbia and Bucharest neutral with standing armies

so is this game going ahead?

Well we lost Stukus, so we need an 11th...
I will send PM's to the others after I set it up(sorry, I forgot to, I had Prom last night then work today, so I am pretty damn tired and forgetful.

http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=2119#gamePanel
password: test
since Canaduh didn't ever join and we lost Stukus...

Sorry, password is: team
not test...