Ok I already thought so, just wanted to make sure, thx :)

Might be good to put some of that in the rules section for the map, such as where canals are:
Red Sea to Cil Sea?
Aegean to Black or is movement to Istanbul required first?
and can a fleet in Kiel move either to Ska or Cop?

and where land bridges are:
Alexandria to Suez which you mentioned
but is Cairo to Suez allowed?
what about Sicily to Me?
I'm assuming GIB to Morocco is not allowed.

Cop (and maybe Istanbul?) look like special territories that are essentially treated both like land that armies can enter (but with no coasts on their respective sea sides for naval units) and sea territories. It does not appear that they are separate sea territories. What is unclear about istanbul though is whether you can move directly to the black sea from Aegean Sea or if you have to enter Istanbul first.


Also there are a couple territories that share corners for which the border status is unclear:
MUN/SWI and RI/(unlabeled south of Munich and west of Salzburg)
Bas/Tou and Ba/Bor in spain/france
Fi/Norrland and Na/Lapland

Also there are several that look more clear but which could stand to be explained as well (or the map redrawn slightly):
I'm assuming Prague to Cr (in poland) is allowed but Br to Bre is not?
Likewise Br-Lit to Kiev is allowed but Lwow to Min is not?
Same with Lwow-Tra but not Buch/Br?
And Smo - Nizhny Novgorod but not Moscow to Kharkov?
And Mun - Salzburg but not (unlabeled south of Munich to Vienna?)
Lastly Bremen to Kiel but not Skag to Ha?


Some further clarification questions as well..

Does palestine have a west coast and a south coast?
Does Jordan have a coast?
What about Milan to North Adriatic?
And Lapland has a north coast in addition to a south coast and borders both Barents and Norwegian Seas?

I'm guessing as well that the lakes depicted in Russia bordering Leningrad, Estonia and Moscow are not navigable by fleets?

Does Alexandria border the Red Sea and the Cil Sea?

Can Corsica, Crete, and Cyprus (or Faroe, Shetland, Orkney and other Scotish islands in Scapa Flow; the Baleric Islands south of Spain, and Gotland or the Islands of the West Estonian Archipeligo in the Baltic Sea) be occupied?

Map looks good, just asking the clarification questions a little late. (I didn't participate in the trials over on the lab.)

Also Oli,

For issuing orders, having the abbreviations of the territories in addition to their full names would be tremendously helpful. If I remember correctly you recently added those for Imperial Dip II? Could you do it for this map as well?

Thanks!

Lastly I'm assuming this isn't build anywhere right?

Wow a lot of questions Lief! Let me just answer those:

Red Sea to Cil Sea? Crossable
Aegean to Black or is movement to Istanbul required first? Possible without moving to Istanbul
and can a fleet in Kiel move either to Ska or Cop? Yes
but is Cairo to Suez allowed? No
what about Sicily to Me? Yes
I'm assuming GIB to Morocco is not allowed. Gib-Morocco is allowed.
MUN/SWI and RI/(unlabeled south of Munich and west of Salzburg) No, see the large map, these territories do not connect.
Bas/Tou and Ba/Bor in spain/france Do not border each other to reflect the Pyrenees
Fi/Norrland and Na/Lapland Do not border each other.
I'm assuming Prague to Cr (in poland) is allowed but Br to Bre is not? Correct, please see the large map.
Likewise Br-Lit to Kiev is allowed but Lwow to Min is not? Correct, please see the large map.
Same with Lwow-Tra but not Buch/Br? This one I think is obvious they do not border.
And Smo - Nizhny Novgorod but not Moscow to Kharkov? Again they do not border.
And Mun - Salzburg but not (unlabeled south of Munich to Vienna?) See the large map, Innsbruck connects to Salzburg but not Vienna.
Lastly Bremen to Kiel but not Skag to Ha? Skag does not connect to Hannover.
Does palestine have a west coast and a south coast? Palestine has only a west coast.
Does Jordan have a coast? Yes with Red Sea.
What about Milan to North Adriatic? Milan connects with North Adriatic.
And Lapland has a north coast in addition to a south coast and borders both Barents and Norwegian Seas? Correct
I'm guessing as well that the lakes depicted in Russia bordering Leningrad, Estonia and Moscow are not navigable by fleets? Correct
Does Alexandria border the Red Sea and the Cil Sea? Correct.
Can Corsica, Crete, and Cyprus (or Faroe, Shetland, Orkney and other Scotish islands in Scapa Flow; the Baleric Islands south of Spain, and Gotland or the Islands of the West Estonian Archipeligo in the Baltic Sea) be occupied? Corsica, Crete and Cyprus can be occupied.

The large map does answer a lot of the questions you asked, I hope you appreciate that it was difficult to draw this in the small map and impossible to label Innsbruck and Luxembourg. Please see the large map for most clarifications, and if you have any issue with the decisions I made please let me know, I will probably revise this variant at a later date.

It is not build anywhere.

@ Synapse : "Nizhny Novgorod" was called "Gorky" between 1932 and 1990. You should please change the name of that Land Zone.

No issues, map looks great. Thank you!

The large map does answer much of the questions.

I'm curious why there is no zoom on this map? I've not done a variant of my own before but it seems that zooming on the main window as some of the larger variants allow would be useful for this map.

A few clarification questions:
Regarding:
"Aegean to Black or is movement to Istanbul required first?
--- Possible without moving to Istanbul"
Does Istanbul have separate coasts then or does it simultaneously border both seas for coastal navies?

"I'm assuming GIB to Morocco is not allowed.
---Gib-Morocco is allowed."
Historically inaccurate, but imo makes the map interesting. (the game won't be played for historical replay as nations that were allied will fight each other, so not an issue in my mind).


"Fi/Norrland and Na/Lapland
---Do not border each other."
The large map seems to indicate Finnmark and Norrland do border each other, confirming that this is not the case.

"Lastly Bremen to Kiel but not Skag to Ha?
---Skag does not connect to Hannover."
But Bremen to Kiel is allowed?

"Does palestine have a west coast and a south coast?
--Palestine has only a west coast.
Does Jordan have a coast?
---Yes with Red Sea. "
So I would expect movement is not allowed as a result between Jordan and Suez, even though Palestine has no coast on the Red Sea.

Lastly a further clarification question on Copenhagan. It and it's surrounding sea are one single territory that includes both sea and island right? In otherwords, the sea cannot be occupied by a fleet while an army simultaneously occupies the island?

I do recognize the difficulties of drawing the small map to make these evident.
Further confusion can be eliminated by including some of this information in the variant description. My asking all these questions has hopefully provided you with much of the material that would simply need slight re-writing and formatting for inclusion in the variant description. If you want I could try to summarize which clarifications I think would be most important to include.

I look forward to playing this variant! Good work and thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions.

Does Istanbul have separate coasts then or does it simultaneously border both seas for coastal navies? -It borders both North and South seas, and East and west land territories.

"Fi/Norrland and Na/Lapland
---Do not border each other."
The large map seems to indicate Finnmark and Norrland do border each other, confirming that this is not the case. -You’re right.

"Lastly Bremen to Kiel but not Skag to Ha?
---Skag does not connect to Hannover."
But Bremen to Kiel is allowed? Bremen and Kiel are touching each other on large map and Hannover is not connected to the sea

So I would expect movement is not allowed as a result between Jordan and Suez, even though Palestine has no coast on the Red Sea. -Jordan must move through Palestine to reach Suez.

Lastly a further clarification question on Copenhagan. It and it's surrounding sea are one single territory that includes both sea and island right? In otherwords, the sea cannot be occupied by a fleet while an army simultaneously occupies the island? Correct.
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Further confusion can be eliminated by including some of this information in the variant description. My asking all these questions has hopefully provided you with much of the material that would simply need slight re-writing and formatting for inclusion in the variant description. If you want I could try to summarize which clarifications I think would be most important to include.

If you would like to write a variant description please do Leif. As well as this, I’m working on a Pacific Theatre variant at the moment and your input when I reach the lab stage would be very helpful.

"So I would expect movement is not allowed as a result between Jordan and Suez, even though Palestine has no coast on the Red Sea. -Jordan must move through Palestine to reach Suez. "

One final clarification...

If Palestine has only a west coast, but Jordan can move to Palestine, then effectively Palestine becomes a canal allowing fleet movement through Palestine to Cil Sea. (the map info link on the variant page confirms this). I don't think this was your intention was it?

Let me know when your pacific variant needs review, and/or play testing. If I've got some extra time, I'll join the play test this go around.

I will draft up some rules clarifications based on all these questions.

I think Palestine is a canal. I don't think it will impact the game however, as the usage of the Red Sea is going to be very minimal. In about 8 test games nobody even used the Red Sea.

This would probably be the one change I would recommend to the map.

Allow Jordan to Red Sea and Suez to Palestine/Red Sea but not Palestine to Jordan. This will effectively eliminate any canal features for Palestine as no canal has ever existed across Palestine, and also won't cause any west coast/south coast issues for Palestine.

OMG, a lot of things to be known! Synapse please fix the map and the variant information page ASAP, or I'll have to print this thread and play holding a paper in my hand! :D

Btw, what is "Me" in southern Italy for? None of the biggest 15 towns begins with a "M", down there....

Messina.

Uhmm. Messina is in Sicily. It would be like calling Scotland "Belfast".
How about "Bari", the biggest town in that area on Adriatic, or "Taranto", the biggest Italian Navy harbor in Med during WWII, on Ionian (Gulf of Taranto)?

Further, I've just noticed that this territory "Messina" has 2 coasts. I can't explain myself why. Or are those "EC" & "WC" labels just typos?

Ouch that Aeg-BS connection should stand in the variant description, if LS didnt have asked for that, that could have cost me the BS in a game...

Germany and Russia should start with more SCs. Historical accuracy and such.

Ther schuld be arrows between Den, Cop and Got, because i thought that you could move from eg Stettin to Cop too...

A fleet can move from Stettin to Cop, but armies can only cross via Denmark

yeah, thats why arrows would be great...