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Chumbles (1380 D)
24 Dec 19 UTC
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Happy Xmas
Best wishes for the new year and a happy holiday to all; I believe Amby will shortly be arising as Santa follows the course of the new day
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erikip107 (2543 D)
19 Dec 19 UTC
Rating question
Hi! New to forums and fairly new to this game, I was wondering how the rating system works. I understand generally that we gain points for draws and solos, and lose them for defeats and survivals, but how is it determined how much we gain or lose?
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MagicalSand (1726 D)
26 Nov 19 UTC
Lose less points when you replace a player?
Should we really lose as many points when let's say. You replace a player who is in a decent position. Only to upon entering the game automatically start in a terrible position. And then lose 20 points in a game you had 0 chance of surviving in. Should you really lose those 20 points? What If you lost less points when replacing a player to make it less damaging when you start in terrible positions. What you guys think?
Macca573 (1517 D)
26 Nov 19 UTC
Is the point cost not already adjusted to the position?
Chumbles (1380 D)
26 Nov 19 UTC
As I understand it, this is already the case. Frankly, given the number of guys who try and improve their RR by taking over mediocre to awful positions who suicide out I'd prefer it if there were a threshold below which the position is put into anarchy. The Suicide Squad turn a game of skill into pot luck
MagicalSand (1726 D)
26 Nov 19 UTC
Is it really the case? I'm in a game where I replaced someone. It says everyone else's bet is 20. But for some reason my bet is 34.
Mittag (1396 D)
27 Nov 19 UTC
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The cost of taking over a position is adjusted to the sc count, but it is not adjusted to the tactical position. Since most (but not all) powers in cd are in decline, this means that you'd expect to loose points by taking over a cd. That is especially true if you take over a one or two-center power which is expected to be eliminated in a few rounds.
Frozen Dog (1515 D)
28 Nov 19 UTC
*fewer












;)
Mercy (2131 D)
06 Dec 19 UTC
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The cost of taking over a position is roughly 60% times the pot size times the percentage of supply centers you own. So for instance, if the bet is 5 and you take over a position in the first year, you only pay 3 points.

However, vPoints (the ones that appear next to your name) do not account for the strength of the position you took over; only ordinary dPoints do (the ones you use to bet on games).
tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
06 Dec 19 UTC
Partially correct. In the vPoint-Rating the strength of the power at time of take-over is indeed considered with a special weight.
Mercy (2131 D)
07 Dec 19 UTC
How is that done, tobi? In my experience, no matter the position, people who take over a CD lose fewer points if they lose, but also gain fewer points if they win.
tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
08 Dec 19 UTC
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That is also true. The weight takes the position into account by comparing the bets of the players, which in case of a take over are (relative strength at takeover)* potSize / 2.

The current formula for the applied weight to the rating change in direct comparison between two players is

1 - | player1.bet - player2.bet | / max({player1.bet, player2.bet})

with |.| being the absolute value.

This means, that if you take over a weak position and lose, you won't lose that much of your rating due to the low bet you had to pay. You will also not win that much, if you can win a game after taking over a strong position as your bet will be higher than that of your opponents.
However, you will also win less than original members of the game, if you can achieve a victory with an initially weak position or you will lose less, if you fail with a strong position. This is in accord with your observation, that players taking over win or lose less in any case.

The best gains currently can actually be made if you take over a position with equal bet as other members, so a position that is twice as strong as any other. In this case the weight will be approximately one. I believe, the rating weight was introduced when takeovers still costed full prize. I cannot say, if leading a weak position to victory or failing a strong position being less rated was originally intended.


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ingebot (2014 D)
01 Dec 19 UTC
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The IST province in modern Europe
It appears that there are two IST provinces (Istria and Istanbul). For Istria, that doesn't look like Italy's modern borders, especially as it removes Slovenia's existing coast in today's world.
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ingebot (2014 D)
03 Dec 19 UTC
My games
What happened to "my games" on the homepage?
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Lei Saarlainen (1120 D)
03 Dec 19 UTC
transform option in europa renovatio
i want to know if this rule implemented and if yes how to do it ?
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Macca573 (1517 D)
23 Nov 19 UTC
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Improving Fog Of War
Fog of war applies to a few maps, classic, 1998, and such; but it seems like a simple add in. How hard would it be to get FoW as a setting rather than variant property? I would think there are many maps and games I would like to try with it, but it's only on a few things. There are also some variants like Rat Wars, that can only be done in FoW. Just wondering if this was a possibility?
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No one is taking over CDed nations.
No one is taking over civil disordered nations.
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Macca573 (1517 D)
22 Oct 19 UTC
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Betrayal
Diplomacy is a game about betrayal, but how can you avoid other players raging at you when you betray them?
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
09 Nov 19 UTC
Was the Munich Agreement a British diplomatic coup in 1938?
Neville Chamberlain died on 11/9/1940. Chamberlain's brother had won the Nobel Prize for Locarno, which has explicitly stated that the UK viewed Germany's Eastern border open for revision and was only committed to defending Germany's Western border. Other than getting Hitler's signature on an agreement that he then violate in less than 6 months, I see no other way that Chamberlain could have gotten a treaty with Poland ratified or instituted peace time conscription in a democratic society.
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AJManso4 (2318 D)
07 Nov 19 UTC
Ben SC in Rinascimento Variant
As the Ben SC cannot move, however, when it is dislodged can it retreat anywhere? Or is it forced to disband?
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Arado (1301 D)
08 Nov 19 UTC
vDiplomacy-points scoring
I am still quite new to this website and I am confused on how the scoring works.
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Flame (1073 D)
07 Nov 19 UTC
DNWC 2020 ?
Is there any ideas about Diplomacy National World Cup in 2020?
I wish Stabbeurfou.org initiate it already!
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CptMike (1575 D)
20 Aug 19 UTC
FvA championship
Hello,

I propose to launch a FvA championship with 5 players.
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Strider (1604 D)
29 Oct 19 UTC
Reliability rating penaltys
Discuss
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Map
Can somebody make this a map?
I asked in the mod forum and nobody has answered me yet.
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https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1qsAbeu_9T5cpzqAqK2UgULrH56BWqUVtcysYosyokc8/comment
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Lei Saarlainen (1120 D)
21 Oct 19 UTC
Ready / Non Ready
for be ready what i must read ?
is not a stupid question it can be
1/ i read ready so mean i am ready
2/ i read redy so i must push the button for be ready
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ingebot (2014 D)
17 Sep 19 UTC
Suggestions for Europa Renovatio to be improved
Firstly, I'd like to congrat and thank Technostar on making an amazing variant. I've just got a few suggestions for improvement:
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Maps
How do I create maps?
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BobMcBob (1281 D)
26 Aug 19 UTC
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Did GvR just get removed?
And why was it a variant in the first place?
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Mittag (1396 D)
15 Oct 19 UTC
Scoring systems?
The "create new games"-page currently has WTA and PPSC as the two options for scoring systems.
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diplopoet (739 D)
08 Oct 19 UTC
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Anonymous games
I've noticed that most of the new games on this website are set to "anonymous". Why is that? Why do the people setting up new games like "anonymous" so much?
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Frozen Dog (1515 D)
08 Oct 19 UTC
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What happens if you lose all of your units but still control a non-home supply centre?
I don't mean according to the Calhamer ruleset, but on this site; would you be defeated or live on as a zombie completely at the mercy of others?
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tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
03 Oct 19 UTC
Looking for new moderators
We are looking for new members of the moderator team:
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tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
19 May 19 UTC
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Game processing paused
We are currently having some problems after another WebDip code merge with some deep changes to the codebase. Game processing has been paused until this is resolved.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
28 Sep 19 UTC
Very superstitious
I've got myself into doing a certain thing in my games here and recently changed what I did, for it to go very wrong...
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Cromig (1409 D)
28 Sep 19 UTC
4 Spots Left on great South America map!
Come join the South America game! https://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=39913
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MagicalSand (1726 D)
25 Sep 19 UTC
V Dip Discord?
This is simply a question im curious with. Would it be a good idea if V Dip had a discord server? just curious what people would think about that.
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Diplomacy Poll
Hello all, I’m trying to make a poll on what people consider to be their favorite parts of diplomacy. I’ll be reading every response and making a chart of what people enjoy the most here, so please help me out and give me some words.
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Anon (?? D)
24 Sep 19 UTC
Anyone want to take this world game?
I'm playing in World Peace Simulator-2, gameID=39267 , but I'm about to go away and am unsure if I'll be able to input my moves. If you are interested, PM me and I'll tell you what country I'm playing. I don't want to just say it here as the game is anonymous. Then I can use the country switch tool to give it away. Please take a look if you are interested.
Thanks!
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