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kaner406 (1375 D Mod (B) (B))
10 Mar 18 UTC
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Bourse 2018
See below:
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
09 Jul 18 UTC
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You can now access the server via https...
So friends in the same network can no longer spy on your network-traffic here to gain an advantage over you... :-)
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Penguin_XX7 (1534 D)
14 Jul 18 UTC
Sitters for four games.
I need game sitters for 3 Gunboat games and one full press until July 24th. Please PM me.
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Thanks to the winning thread, I lost The Game...
...and now you have too.

The perfect thread for all of us losers to post when we've lost. There can be no winners here.
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Strider (1544 D)
09 Jul 18 UTC
Preview in fog of war
Why can't you preview your moves in fog of war? I understand that some features might need to be turned off for fog to work but it this required or just an acident.
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Antiloquax (1164 D)
23 Jun 18 UTC
Why is the red box attacking me?
The red box on games with no saved moves is stressing me out! I have 2 days. What's the emergency?
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Retillion (2221 D (B))
10 Jul 18 UTC
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A thick and ugly blue box
Please read below.
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Enriador (1491 D (B))
22 May 18 UTC
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New Variants (yup, plural!)
Four new variants, based on Classic, will be coming to vDip!

Some of these were directly taken from the DP Judge. Others were lost in the Variant Bank for a long while.
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RVG1984 (1127 D)
09 Jul 18 UTC
sealanes
How do they work?
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Anonymous Games
Anonymous Games grant liars a shelter to do there worst, making abusive and absurd offered and generally making me passionately hate this game, which can lead to NMRs . Having to be out there means you have to have honor, and enables revenge. I have seen allies pitch in by hopping from one neutral territory to yhe next in the name of their promises. This site seems to be for the childish.
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Flame (1062 D (B))
09 Jul 18 UTC
First Diplomacy game edition 1959
Who got the photo or scan of the first Diplomacy edition board (500 pieces), 1959? Please share to be used in an article.
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
18 Jun 18 UTC
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Replace PPSC with something rank-based?
I've put together a length proposal over on PlayDip to provide a rank-based scoring system for draws that's similar to the Carnage system used in several North American Dip tournaments today.

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57975#p951166
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Enriador (1491 D (B))
07 Jul 18 UTC
[New Variant] Machiavelli - To the Renaissance
New (official) subvariant of Machiavelli coming up on vDip. Not a single case of adjacent home centers - praise be God!

http://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=115
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Enriador (1491 D (B))
25 Apr 18 UTC
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New Variant: Crusades 1201
Hail diplomats,

New 11-players variant coming up, set in the High Middle Ages.
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gremlin (1000 D)
02 Jul 18 UTC
New Variants
Just curious, what is the process for creating new variants?
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WiJaMa (1312 D)
26 Jun 18 UTC
Looking for game sitters
I'm looking for a game sitter for three games while I'm out from 1 Jul to 22 Jul. PM me for details.

Also, is there supposed to be a thread for these? I can't find it but the help page says there is one.
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ubercacher16 (1347 D)
25 Jun 18 UTC
Strategy - Hold Order
See First Post
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
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At long last: 1900
With some help from Tobias & Oliver, my implementation of Baron VonPowell's "1900" is finally live.

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Looking for someone to take over my country (Not in a bad position)
Currently 13/35 countries remain and my country, Brazil, is in 8th place after some set backs with NMRs. Currently allied with the 2nd place country, Argentina, as a fight between the two of us will ultimately be the doom of our existence. Argentina has said that a substitute will not charge the alliance between our two countries.

Reply if interested in taking over.
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RVG1984 (1127 D)
21 Jun 18 UTC
convert fleet to army
How do I convert a fleet to an army and the other way? I see people do it, but don't see the option on the dropdowns.
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WaitingCynicism (903 D)
20 Jun 18 UTC
Notifications by email?
Is there a way I can get email notifications for my campaigns? I haven't gotten any at all, and because of that I've lost several games.
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The Ambassador (1676 D (B) (B))
17 Jun 18 UTC
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Padlock City
What's the deal with all the padlocks that have appeared throughout my games when viewed on the vDip homepage?
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The Ambassador (1676 D (B) (B))
27 Oct 17 UTC
1066 Tournament
As discussed in episode 23 of the Diplomacy Games podcast I'm thinking of putting together a 1066 tournament. Interested takers?
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Anon (?? D)
16 Jun 18 UTC
Would anyone like to join a Known World game?
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=35213
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Frozen Dog (1081 D)
14 Jun 18 UTC
Playtest of variant
Hi! I am trying to organize a playtest of a variant I created with some unique rules that made it not possible to implement on vdiplomacy (yet!). I have called it 'Feudal Diplomacy'. [See below for details!]
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ubercacher16 (1347 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Possible Change
See first post
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Sky_Hopper (765 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
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Game Showcase
Here, feel free to share any links to games that are notable to you!
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CCR (1666 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
Zero games variants
I thought I'd create a few games of the newest variants, and looked for those still not played, without opened games, or no new ones yet.
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Mittag (1520 D)
09 Jun 18 UTC
Sandboxes?
Does anyone know any good adjudicator, online of for Mac, that I could use for playing around with positions?
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Caerus (1599 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
Clock Watching - Sniping the NMRs
I am unaware of the actual term, but is it considered bad form here on vDip to change your orders in anticipation of an opponent's upcoming NMR?
Caerus (1599 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
I am aware there is another active thread discussing the CDs and their various consequences. I have no desire to recover that ground.

My question is: At 5 minutes until the deadline, you notice an opponent hasn't placed an order yet. If you change your orders to account for their supposed inactivity, is that exploiting a side effect of our medium, or simply a good tactical use of information?
Skyrock (1113 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
It is perfectly legal to change your orders around until closing time and take advantage of another power likely failing to submit orders.

It is actually extremely mild compared to some dirty tricks Richard Sharp suggested: http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/god/twelve.htm
00matthew2000 (2469 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
In my opinion that's their fault not mine. The game made it so stuff like that could happen. Similarly, those countries that are more prepared for war in real life typically do better so, there's that.
G-Man (2227 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
I see the results of clock-watching regularly, so you might as well take advantage of it, as you're no doubt already experiencing the disadvantage of it when others do it.
tantrumizer (1319 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
They have shut off the possibility of doing this on WebDiplomacy recently. I think that is probably for the better, but I have certainly "sniped" NMRs here (and there) before.
drano019 (2179 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
@tantrumizer - How did they shut it off? Did they make some change as to how late you can change your orders?
tantrumizer (1319 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
No, they no longer show who has or has not submitted their orders (for anon games).
Sky_Hopper (765 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
@Sky: Wow. I'm glad that doesn't happen on vDip.
See, that change sucks. I blacklist morons who refuse to submit orders but keep showing up so they don't CD. That change would limit my ability to recognize those a-hole and do that.
tantrumizer (1319 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
I don't like it, because I can't tell if I am the last player to submit orders, in which case I hurry in and do them to keep the game moving. But in terms of the goals of the change (stopping sniping, preserving anonymity), I'm OK with it.
ScubaSteve (1199 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
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It wouldn’t even occur to me not to do so. I’m not (generally) sitting around waiting for the turn to progress... but I have occasionally. I haven’t even thought of it as potentially unsportsmanlike. What I consider unsportsmanlike is failing to enter moves.
Caerus (1599 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
@tantrumizer - Without outright saying it, you seem to be the only person so far that takes issue with NMR sniping. Would you care to elaborate (or correct me if I misread)?
d-ice (1969 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
If you're worried about "unsportsmanlike sniping", set a trap by not submitting any orders until 5 seconds before deadline.
Rancher (1259 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
oh, I've seen players do that ...
ubercacher16 (1347 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
@d-ice. That seems to me like it is more unsportsmanlike then the sniping itself.
Spartan22 (1687 D (B))
05 Jun 18 UTC
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If you're claiming it's entirely fair to utilize the knowledge available to "snipe" potential NMRs, there is absolutely nothing wrong with submitting your orders 5 seconds before the deadline. That's the point of a deadline; anytime up until it is fair game for submitting our orders.
drano019 (2179 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
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Maybe I'm a little "old school" in my mentality, but I'm of the mindset that anything (barring cheating) is fair game in Diplomacy. Want to snipe an NMR? Fair game, it's part of the platform we have here. Want to wait until 10 seconds before deadline to enter your orders to try to trap people sniping orders? Totally valid. These are simply online versions of tricks people used to do in postal dip like forging letters, impersonating people, sending letters on "accident" to the wrong person, etc.

As for how it'd be more unsportsmanlike to trap people by waiting to enter orders than it would be to snipe an NMR, I don't get that. If someone is taking advantage of the online platform to see you haven't entered orders, you can use that knowledge to your benefit to trick them. It's simply another version of telling someone you're doing one thing and then doing a different one. You're essentially "lying" about missing the turn by waiting.
Sky_Hopper (765 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
To alleviate this problem, we can technically add an option to hide who has or has not entered their orders. (Public order status/Hidden order status)
Caerus (1599 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
@Sky_Hopper:
But my question was "Is this a problem?" and so far, the general consensus is no.
Spartan22 (1687 D (B))
05 Jun 18 UTC
As far as I've noticed, I haven't seen much of an issue with it. At least not overwhelming to the point where the experience is being compromised.
drano019 (2179 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
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To piggyback on Spartan's message, NMR "sniping" is only possible because people NMR. The root problem is NMRs, not the "sniping". If people entered orders, there wouldn't even be a need to discuss sniping, since it wouldn't happen. Making changes to how the website works to disallow sniping is treating a symptom instead of the underlying problem.

And yes, I realize we're always going to have NMRs, but surely it's a worthy goal to minimize them?
ScubaSteve (1199 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
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To piggyback on Drano, it would make the negative effects of NMRing less pronounced and would encourage more of it.
tantrumizer (1319 D)
05 Jun 18 UTC
@Caerus, I'm not taking issue with it. I think it's fine and do it myself. I was talking about the changes WebDiplomacy had made (that happen to stop NMR sniping), of which one aspect is not ideal for me (seeing if I am the last player to submit orders).
Sky_Hopper (765 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
How about a mandatory bet restriction for lower RR ratings?
Games are already restrictive to a minimum RR. It isn't solving the problem because high RR games with large nation counts are hard to fill.
Skyrock (1113 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
Large nation games are very prone to NMRs and CD anyway. It is the nature of that format that above 7 players someone is bound to be a deadbeat statistically.
Really? Have you run the stats? How about if the game is restricted by RR? Oh wait, as these never seem to get going you have too small a sample to run a six Sigma against.
Skyrock (1113 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
No stats, only bitter anecdotal experience. Big minimum reliability variants don't ever start, big free-for-all variants always have some deadbeat(s) dropping out and tearing the game balance apart in favour of their lucky and opportunistic neighbours.
My point exactly. Keeping deadbeats out (a good thing) leads to large map games never starting (a bad thing)
Caerus (1599 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
@Tantrumizer
Ahh. Thanks for the clarification
drano019 (2179 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
@YCHTT -

That is indeed the ever-present dilemma. The fact is, there aren't enough people here who are dedicated and want to play the big maps to fill them up with reliable people. So we end up with the deadbeats. That gives two options:

1) Continue to play with the deadbeats, with predictable results.
2) Accept that some maps won't get played if we want to fix the deadbeat issue.

Personally, I'm all for option 2. I'd rather have a good game and accept that some maps won't get played, than play a game knowing that at some point, someone's going to ruin it with NMRs and CDs.

I know it's getting off topic from the original discussion, but this is the root issue of sniping. Either we attempt to root out the deadbeats and self-censor the maps we can play somewhat, or we accept the status quo.
ScubaSteve (1199 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
More people need to know how awesome diplomacy is.
drano019 (2179 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC
I agree completely. I just am not sure how that's relevant to the discussion at hand?
Sky_Hopper (765 D)
07 Jun 18 UTC
He means real dip, without NMRs.
ScubaSteve (1199 D)
07 Jun 18 UTC
If more people knew how awesome diplomacy was, then we wouldn't have the dilemma of choosing between big games that never start and big games that start with unreliable players.
Kingmaker Speech (1235 D)
10 Jun 18 UTC
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I agree! It's only the unmotivated that NMR. It's so easy to write in ANYTHING for a set of moves. I may change my moves six times before the clock runs out. But I will always get in Somethin almost right away, just in case I get distracted and miss the deadline. This is a habit newbies should aspire to


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