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ubercacher16 (2196 D)
25 Jun 18 UTC
Strategy - Hold Order
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
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At long last: 1900
With some help from Tobias & Oliver, my implementation of Baron VonPowell's "1900" is finally live.

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nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=1900

This is an established variant with established rules. They're not changing. However, I am looking for feedback on the following:

- Russia (olive) & Italy (emerald): on some screens these look very distinct to me, on others less so. Do you have trouble distinguishing them?
- I'm not currently happy with how the abbreviations look in the high-resolution version. Do you think it would help to remove the white outlines of text there?
- What bugs have you encountered?
- Are there any locations whose unit placements make the map harder to read?
- What other graphical issues have you encountered?

Note that the colors of the powers are something I worked with Baron on for this edition. No, I'm not going to swap yellow and red back again; there are flag/historical reasons for Austria-Hungary to be yellow and Turkey to be red.
Enriador (1507 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Once again, big thanks to Alex for bringing 1900 to vDip. If I find out any bugs I will report it.
Enriador (1507 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Suggestion: Bosnia should be colored neutral. The formal annexation of Bosnia only happened in 1908; in 1900 the region was under Austrian occupation but not under Austro-Hungarian sovereignty.

It formally belonged to the Ottoman Empire, and I think that making it neutral is the best course of action to represent its (at the time) ambiguous political status.

Some maps even make it (like Tripolitania & Cyrenaica) with a yellow/red outline (depends on Turkey's color), but I guess that would be too much work.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
In the PBEM version of this map, I actually do include red outlines for those regions:
https://i.imgur.com/Gd5ANFF.png

There wasn't a straightforward way to both include these and get them to disappear later. I wouldn't want those lines to stick around after a unit actual visits/captures those territories. In PBEM context, I can just manually get rid of them, as seen here:

https://i.imgur.com/TFoU1mj.png

I'll make a note though. Making Bosnia neutral in color might be a good compromise.
Enriador (1507 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
I noticed Italy has Fleet Rome rather than Army Rome.

'1900: Sharp's Edition', now that's a variant I would play!
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
That is most definitely a bug. Good catch!
G-Man (2466 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
* Russia and Italy look very distinct on my screen
* I think the abbreviations are easier to read with the white outlines and look good
* No unit placements are affecting the reading of the map for me
Glad to hear. 1900 is a well crafted variant, which is not something I say lightly.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@G-Man
Which resolution are you looking at?

For the low-res map (the default one), I find that the white outlined abbreviations help, but the high-res map, they seem to make a mess.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@Enriador
Oli posted the fix, and there's an army in Rome (as intended).
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
The EMR rule seems unfair to the rest of the players.
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
As for graphics:
Mostly fine; however, some provinces such as Wales or Vienna are quite small. Perhaps make them bigger?
Nice work devs!
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
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variantID=1900
LOL
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Sorry for too many posts, but two more things...
* Large map font outlines are ok, but the font is disparate with the small map.
* Why is '1900' not in white outline?
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Not that I'm arguing the color, but I have to admit, I find the French description of their color quite funny.

"Teal Blue, the shade of blue used in the insignia of the French Air Force"

The French Air Force......in a map set in 1900...
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
P.S. Does Palestine ave two coasts?
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
*have*
G-Man (2466 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Both the small and large maps nopunin10did.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@Sky_Hopper
"The EMR rule seems unfair to the rest of the players."
- It might seem that way, but in practice, it keeps Russia from being (by far) the weakest of the powers. It was something Baron added to the rules after several iterations and playtests. With the rule in place, Russia is in the middle-chunk of the powers balance-wise.

"some provinces such as Wales or Vienna are quite small. Perhaps make them bigger?"
- This map represents the borders that Baron and I worked to represent. Historicity took preference over practicality in some cases; at small resolutions I imagine this can be a bit frustrating. Can you still see all the provinces that Vienna/Wales/etc. border? What could potentially be adjusted is the positioning of the units or names, if those are obscuring the borders.

"Large map font outlines are ok, but the font is disparate with the small map."
- It is a different font. For the small map, I went for a font that's more optimized for low resolutions. I wanted to use a variant of Caslon for the large map, since that was a common font from the era, but it may be harming readability.

"Why is '1900' not in white outline?"
- Mostly because it doesn't need it, but that admittedly does make it inconsistent... I'll think on this one.

"P.S. Does Palestine ave two coasts? "
- This one is addressed in the verbose rules; the micro-coast in the south is included for geographic accuracy only. Only the main coast of Palestine is actually playable.

nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@drano019

Yes, that is anachronistic. Unfortunately, too many countries seem to use the same shades of blue and red in their flags...
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
"variantID=1900
LOL"

Damn straight.
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@nopunin10did:
I suggest you just forgo the "south" coast of Palestine and just make things simpler.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
@Sky_Hopper:
I'll consider it. I'm hesitant to change much of the map's underlying geometry, since it was based on Baron's own official drawings, and that coast exists geographically if not for the game.
nopunin10did (1041 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
@Enriador
Baron confirmed that, given the limitations for this iteration of the map, Bosnia should stay yellow, and Cyrenaica should instead be red.
Enriador (1507 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
@nopunin10did

Oh. If Baron says Yellow Bosnia, then Yellow Bosnia it is.

But Red Cyrenaica?! It's just half of Ottoman Libya, and since TRP must be neutral, it will look incredibly inconsistent on-map with half the country divided. Best to leave CYR neutral as well, as the region was firmly connected to Tripolitania in every way.

I don't mind southern Palestine. It's clearly not a canal neither has a South Coast on-map, and given the way vDip deals with orders input the grand total of problems that will arise from this cosmetic coast is likely zero.

I find the smallmap font hard-ish to read as well, as I said elsewhere. Far from impossible, just slightly unclear at first sight.
Enriador (1507 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
P.S.: Yellow Bosnia + Neutral CYR/BUL/ARA, the status quo, is actually very reasonable on second thought. The criteria for coloring can be seem as De Facto power over a region, not De Jure.

That way we justify why the Senussi emirate in Libya, the Bulgarian monarchy and the Arabian tribes are neutral, and why Bosnia is under Austrian control at start.
Enriador (1507 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
@Sky_Hopper, why does the Russian Emergency Measures (REM) seem unfair?

I assume you didn't read the Gamer's Guide; the Guide perfectly explains the rationale behind it in great detail. Before this rule, Russia was by far the weakest of the Great Powers, worse than even Italy in Classic. Now Russia can kick some ass as they don't crumble so easily.

The only change to the variant I would like to see is a very small map change in Italy, with Tuscany being reborn and Rome annexing southern Venetia to gain an East Coast. This change was proposed by Baron Powell himself back in 2015, and the goal is to reduce the screaming Italo-French tension.

I recommend this article for those interested in variant design in general. The proposed change is at the bottom of the page: http://uk.diplom.org/pouch//Zine/S2015M/Powell/1900change.htm
nopunin10did (1041 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
Tangent:

Note that I'm not going to make this (or any) change to the map's topology or rules, since I think perpetual material redesigns can hurt a variant's longevity, but the one small change I'd make is this:

I'd break the adjacency between Konya / Armenia and instead make Ankara & Damascus adjacent. I've found that SCs that are isolated, without being adjacent to any others, can potentially present defensive problems. It's particularly true when such an SC is on the mainland, unlike London or Tunis from classic Dip.

Turkey is currently the back-of-the-pack in terms of performance in 1900, and giving it a home SC that's so disconnected strikes me as a weakness in its case.
Enriador (1507 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
>I'd break the adjacency between Konya / Armenia and instead make Ankara & Damascus adjacent.<

An interesting proposal; never saw it anywhere else. Does Baron have an opinion?

I like your rationale, as too often Damascus feels like a far away outpost like Algeria or Egypt rather than a decent third home center. Improving Turkey's defensibility shouldn't create a dangerous ripple effect on the rest of the board, I hope.

A similar situation is faced by France, with Marseilles being isolated and too often victim of an Italian attack (A MIL-SWI, A ROM-PIE). I believe, like Baron does, that adding Tuscany back would ease tensions between the two weakest powers of 1900.

Turkey is in the back of the pack indeed, but even more behind we have Italy & France, two powers practically doomed to conflict due to multiple zones of tension, especially in Piedmont/Switzerland. As you can see here (http://uk.diplom.org/pouch//Zine/F2014R/Powell/france2.htm) France is now dead last in overall performance with its two primary neighbors, Germany & Britain, sporting superior performances.

Can't we have both proposals, in the hopes of a better experience? *.*
nopunin10did (1041 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
Anyway, 1900 really ought to just stay as it is at this point. Let it stand on its own merits.

I've seen a number of attempts to reinvent the European wheel by this point, trying to "fix" the original conceit of the board to make it more universally balanced. 1900 was one attempt to do so, and it didn't quite meet *that* goal. The data from full press games currently suggest that it's approximately as balanced / imbalanced as classic Dip, rather than a drastic improvement.

It does succeed in its other goals, though. It's more historically accurate to the period; the borders are more reflective of the political divisions, and the power imbalance matches the history too (Germany on top, Turkey on bottom).

1900 increases interaction between powers that normally lie on totally opposite sides of the map. It's more likely to end in a solo, partly because of its winning conditions and partly because it makes many of the classic stalemate lines harder (though not impossible) to form.

Instead of trying to perpetually improve upon it, what I would suggest is that variant developers look at these sorts of considerations when making *new* maps.

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Matthew Goldman (965 D)
27 Jun 18 UTC
Looking for someone to take over my country (Not in a bad position)
Currently 13/35 countries remain and my country, Brazil, is in 8th place after some set backs with NMRs. Currently allied with the 2nd place country, Argentina, as a fight between the two of us will ultimately be the doom of our existence. Argentina has said that a substitute will not charge the alliance between our two countries.

Reply if interested in taking over.
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RVG1984 (1169 D)
21 Jun 18 UTC
convert fleet to army
How do I convert a fleet to an army and the other way? I see people do it, but don't see the option on the dropdowns.
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WaitingCynicism (903 D)
20 Jun 18 UTC
Notifications by email?
Is there a way I can get email notifications for my campaigns? I haven't gotten any at all, and because of that I've lost several games.
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
17 Jun 18 UTC
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Padlock City
What's the deal with all the padlocks that have appeared throughout my games when viewed on the vDip homepage?
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
27 Oct 17 UTC
1066 Tournament
As discussed in episode 23 of the Diplomacy Games podcast I'm thinking of putting together a 1066 tournament. Interested takers?
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Anon (?? D)
16 Jun 18 UTC
Would anyone like to join a Known World game?
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=35213
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Frozen Dog (1515 D)
14 Jun 18 UTC
Playtest of variant
Hi! I am trying to organize a playtest of a variant I created with some unique rules that made it not possible to implement on vdiplomacy (yet!). I have called it 'Feudal Diplomacy'. [See below for details!]
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ubercacher16 (2196 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
Possible Change
See first post
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
12 Jun 18 UTC
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Game Showcase
Here, feel free to share any links to games that are notable to you!
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CCR (1957 D)
13 Jun 18 UTC
Zero games variants
I thought I'd create a few games of the newest variants, and looked for those still not played, without opened games, or no new ones yet.
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Mittag (1396 D)
09 Jun 18 UTC
Sandboxes?
Does anyone know any good adjudicator, online of for Mac, that I could use for playing around with positions?
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Caerus (1470 D)
04 Jun 18 UTC
Clock Watching - Sniping the NMRs
I am unaware of the actual term, but is it considered bad form here on vDip to change your orders in anticipation of an opponent's upcoming NMR?
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Ghastly (968 D)
07 Jun 18 UTC
Would appreciate a replacement for 1800 variant Prussia
I have no motivation to keep playing turns, so I figure I could give my only game to someone who does. Sorry for making a new thread, I couldn't find the game-sitters thread.
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Enriador (1507 D)
03 Jun 18 UTC
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[New Variant] Scramble
Play as an European colonial power during the Scramble for Africa! Based on @Tristan's 'Africa' variant.

Soon on vDip: http://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=124
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
30 May 17 UTC
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1900 for vDip: Progress Report (ongoing)
As mentioned in another thread, I've been working on the code and assets necessary to port Baron M. Powell's variant 1900 to vDip and/or webDip.

In order to keep myself accountable in some fashion to actually complete this task, and not just talk about it, I've created a small project plan where I can mark my progress.
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
01 Jun 18 UTC
[Variant] Nautical
The Classic map, but with bigger sea territories!

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Enriador (1507 D)
28 May 18 UTC
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Taking over Civil Disorders should be free of charge
Reasoning: the player who takes over a Civil Disorder is not just putting themself in a precarious position (as they must evaluate everybody's styles and strategies) but they are also saving the game's balance and fun.

In order to reward/incentive people to take more CDs, I believe that making it free of charge (rather than current 50% discount) would be for the best. Thoughts?
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d-ice (1969 D)
16 May 18 UTC
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Variants as maps, rules and tweaks
I’d like to propose a variant system that could lead to a significant increase in flexibility of testing out new variants.
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Imp. Dipl.: urgent replacement for Prussia required
For following game as Prussia:
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=34905#gamePanel
Post your user ID/send it
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00matthew2000 (2409 D)
29 May 18 UTC
New Imperial Diplomacy Game, Players Wanted
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=35028
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David E. Cohen (1000 D)
24 Jan 18 UTC
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New Variant: Dawn of the Enlightenment
It is on a temporary homepage, http://davidecohen.wixsite.com/diplomiscellany, since I am having a bit of trouble editing my main website. Please take a look. I would love to get comments, suggestions and criticism.
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
26 May 18 UTC
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A suggested change
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Flame (1073 D)
09 Jan 18 UTC
Western Known World 901
Please join the testgame
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17 Jan 18 UTC
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Cold War Tournament
I am looking to start a rated Cold War tournament consisting of group and knockout stages. Groups of 4 will face each other twice, once as each country. The top two (or three, pending interest) from each group will move on to the knockout stage, with each matchup lasting two games. Users will play as each country once. If tied 1-1, an additional two games are played until a winner is determined.
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vixol (1774 D)
26 May 18 UTC
CountrySwitch
Hi, if I use countryswitch in a non anonymous game, will the temporary players ID be visible instead of mine? The question in another way: will the other players see that the owner is temporarily another player?
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Enriador (1507 D)
05 Mar 18 UTC
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Soon on vDiplomacy: Canton Diplomacy
After trying three excruciatingly long games of Colonial Diplomacy and seeing its annoying lack of balance by myself, I decided to revive Paul Webb's 'Canton Diplomacy' from the depths of the internet. With Oli's help and blessing we'll be playing it quite soon!

http://www.dipwiki.com/index.php?title=Canton
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Enriador (1507 D)
24 May 18 UTC
[New Variant] Legacy of Versailles
Here's a new variant I have been cooking up for some time. It's set in 1939, right before war blows in Europe once again

http://vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=111
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Enriador (1507 D)
28 Apr 18 UTC
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New Variant: Spice Islands
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Available soonTM.
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