Making it a User Setting would be great, for me the handling of the normal website was way easier :)

Oli: The BlackBerry 10 browser has that setting, but as I said above, it simply doesn't work on your new mobile website. Somehow the request doesn't get through. The setting does work everywhere else I tried it. A hyperlink to switch back and forth in the fine print at the bottom of the screen would be great!

For me the setting works, but it somehow switches back after opening a few other sites :/

The "force-desktop-mode" links on the bottom of each page usually just work for one session. It's easier to make this a "normal" usersetting on your settings-page.

I will add the option to switch permanent to the desktop site later this week. In the meantime please post more information what changes you might need for the mobile version. Just a generic "I liked the old way more" is not going to improve this.

I think that it is kind of harder to keep track of the forum and notifications this way.
Would it be possible to implement some kind of marker on forum threads to get a push message (like when getting PMs) when someone responded in that thread? Same goes for games (optional, but I am not sure how useful that is).
Also, I don't know if that's possible, but could the three main sections (forum, messages, games) kind of all be closed under a tab each? So that when you click on forum, the forum expands and when you click on it again, it closes.

For me the mobile overview just feels pretty cramped and too packed, and a lot of scrolling is necessary.
That being said, I will gladly accept whatever optical path the site takes, these are just some (maybe too wishful) thoughts, thank you for working on this!! :)

@Oli

1) I think the "Notices" part is too long for a mobile screen. On PC it's fine since we have plenty of screen, but on phone it takes forever to reach the Forum. >>>Suggestion: what about *only showing the last 5 notifications* under "Notices", instead of the current, ahem, 35?

2) The "Board" screen (which shows a current game board) is good, but the big white box containing information about SCs, units and bets also requires a lot of "sliding down". It's hard to check who hasn't readied their orders for the next turn yet, especially in variants with dozens of players.>>>Suggestion: reduce the font size or space between the lines.

@Amby - I, for one, do. And anyone with a surface pro does as well. It's not just phones that are mobile devices.

@Oli - I haven't found a way to set it on the Windows Mobile browser. I'll have to take a look. Once I understood what was going on, it was OK, but with pinch zoom, I did better under the desktop mode.

I would suggest the home page be expand and collapse sections. HTML 5 does expand and collapse nicely along with hide/show using animations and overlaying the content in layers.

Does anybody really need the game-notifications at all...?
I'm thinking about separating PMs and notificatins, only displaying the first few lines of the last 4 PMs (max. 2 weeks old), and just the last 4 game-notifications below (or maybe no game-notifications at all). But not only on the mobile-part, but in general.

As long as it doesn't prevent players accessing http://www.vdiplomacy.net/index.php?notices=on and the depth of notices there. I have to access that page a fair amount.

YCHTT - don't worry mate, I was just taking the piss.

Awesome job, Oli. It looks fantastic to me.

I like @Oli's suggestions. I am good with either no notifications or the reduced version.

Even the desktop version could do well with less clutter.

First thing I always look at is the notifications. I like the mobile website view overall, except I find myself scrolling down to the notifications, which takes a fair while because I'm in a lot of games at the moment. I would want to see all of my notifications since the last login, but happy not to see older ones.

The change to notifications (with the last few messages automatically being pushed to to the top, above any game notifications) absolutely requires some method of removing ancient messages from those reserved spots.

Not denying that the change is a massively useful feature for keeping track of new messages if you're in a few games that could scroll them down a bit far, but there has to be some way of preventing months old messages taking priority and bumping useful 'this game has updated' notifications down.

I'm also quite concerned about the 'cut off at 4 game notifications'. Is this a hard cut-off? If you're in anything more than a trivially low number of games (say, you're competing in one of the current tourneys, let alone several and some incidental games) there are times when you get significantly more than 4 notifications in the time since you last logged on. There have been times recently when I've accidentally delayed a build or retreats phase much longer than it should have been simply because I was switching devices around the time the previous turn processed so the notification was missing the new message icon; that's going to be significantly more common if half (or more) relevant notifications don't even show up on the home screen.

A mobile bug: even with 'request desktop site', the DropDown-OrderInterface and InteractiveMap-OrderInterface have become massively oversized as of today, taking up the entire width of the column rather than the same space, proportionally, as the actual desktop site.

I'm just experimenting a bit here, expect some more changes the next few days.

I think the PM-part should be the last 5 PMs from the last 2 weeks.
And maybe the game-notifications from your last login minus 1 more day.

Also the different parts should be collapsed and expand on demand. Or at least I can make a "jumplist" to each section on the top of the page.

Any more ideas?

Honestly, an option to 'remove this notification from my feed' would suffice, if possible. Leave it on the actual Notices page, obviously, just something to say "I've acknowledged this, you don't need to remind me about it on the home screen any more".

It's definitely not 'last 5 in 2 weeks' currently; I've three messages from a month ago (and not a fourth that was earlier in the same day from the third).

Why not just show the last N notification from each active game on the home page. Don't show multiple notifications from any game...

That's a good idea ychtt

I also like mouse's "read/remove" flag idea for the home page.

Oli: I just noticed on the mobile website that if you type something in the Forum, but tap "Refresh" instead of "Post reply", you lose what you wrote without getting a warning dialog. Any chance we could get the warning dialog back for the mobile website? The "Refresh" button is very big on the mobile website.

The refresh-button on the forums discards the text even on the desktop-site... I think only the board-page has this fail-save implemented...

Ok. I have put the opt-out for mobile in the settings. So you have a choice now.
I will tinker a bit with the home-screen in the meantime, but there are a few (game-) bugs to take care of first....

I moved the Notices now under the games they belong... Better idea or not?

There are no notices showing on my homepage at all now. On my computer, not my phone.

OH! You mean under each game! I see them now!

Need to remove the "game-name" if it's useful, as it's clearly double, but I did just a quick proof of concept...

I'd still prefer the expand/collapse or show/hide. I have two messages between RUFF and myself that are about 20 lines each and they are taking up way too much screen space on the phone, I'm sure.