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I second this!!!

Why making a WTA WWIV game? I don't think that works. Because of the vastness of countries in WWIV, players could prevent everyone from winning if they work together. And they will in a WTA game. If you play PPCS, players have much less interest in preventing something from winning.

you bring up a very good point. luckily, this game hasnt been created yet, so all of the pregame settings are up for debate. If others dont have a problem with it being PPSC, then it is definitely changeable. I appreciate your input.

I have a problem with it. The logic is flawed. The only reason players have to band together to prevent a solo is WTA. The PPSC actually encourages players to allow a solo to happen. The size of the game has nothing to do with it. The same thing that you are suggesting here "players could prevent everyone from winning if they work together" is true of any Diplomacy game, and in fact it is rather the point of every Diplomacy game.

What iis it that you're not getting here? The object of the game is to win, while preventing everyone else from winning. Inventing rules (like PPSC) to assure that someone wins is contrary to the entire point of playing the game.

Ruffhaus in on the money with this one.

Well Ruffhaus, my point is that WTA doesn't work at WWIV because of the vastness of the countries.
Because of the stalemates that there are in late-game WWIV, conquerings happens not that fast. In classic games, players could suddenly do a smart stab and be able to solo before someone realises it is too late. In WWIV, a solo could be seen long in advance.
At other games, you can solo by conquering players because you have a bigger army than they have. In WWIV however, no player that is big enough can be conquered if that player moves all of his units to your side, what they will do when you grow too big.

The vastness of the countries has nothing to do with it, and you'll forgive me if I claim that I have the experience on this map to back that up, while you do not. You're argument is pure hypothesis, and in fact it's one that has been proven incorrect many times.

Sorry, I wont ever play long games in this site again, since the mods arbitrarily canceled a game I was playing for months (see topic above)!!! This site sucks!

I agree with RUFFHAUS. I prefer not to play PPSC games for the reasons he lays out.

Ruffhaus, could you please clarify yourself? Why do you say that the vastness of countries has nothing to do with it? My points were that in WWIV, solos kan be seen long in advance and it is much easier to protect yourself against a strong player because when you are big, you have relatively few borders in comparison to the SC's you have. Why would I be incorrect here?
I will forgive you if you claim that you have experience on the map. However, I also have; I once won a WWIV PPSC game on an old account that I don't use anymore ('Grace').
By the way - I just checked out that no one ever won a WWIV WTA game. This seems to support my opinion, doesn't it? So why do you say that it 'has been proven incorrect many times'?
I do get your point about the downside of PPSC, however, I would prefer this at maps where players can hardly solo if it's played at WTA, which is the case for WWIV.

@Mercy
What is your point? Are you worried that you may not get any points after such a long game? I have seen many times a player with one SC be included in a draw in WTA games because they are vital to the prevention of a solo. In PPSC, they would be eliminated...no points for the deceased!

Ruff has the right of this one..

PPSC encourages a 'What can I get out of this?' attitude IN SPITE of whatever else is going on in the game. WTA encourages a community effort to stop an impending solo (as the game was originally designed). If the game ends in a draw, all players drawing split the points. Map size, the ambiguous concept of 'vastness' of country, and other such factors do not affect these dynamics of game type selected. Solo wins should not be a function of game type but unfortunately are in fact more likely with PPSC, hence the desire for WTA, because in WTA solos aren't likely to happen because of apathy.

If you are advocating that you desire more solos to be possible then I will counter with this question: Why wouldn't you rather want to rather advocate for the 'best' solos, not solos that occur because people are apathetic and happy with mediocrity?

Again your experience (as documented on this site) doesn't measure up to Ruff, blue, the Dr. or myself. The user 'Grace' has 4 games on this site, as 'Mercy,' you currently have 3 games. Ruff and I each have more WWIV games completed than you have total games completed.

I see your point and I think our different opinions are just based on different preferences. We both like WTA games where someone solos the most. But when this isn't possible, I like solos in PPSC more, while you seem to prefer draws. Just because of personal preference. I think that the same goes for Ruffhaus, but I couldn't make it up out of his text (does I formulate this correctly :p?).
Still, the statement that map size and other such factors doens't affect the chance of soloing in WTA is untrue.

rabble

Mercy, if you feel that solos can be seen too far in advance, why not argue for fewer SCs needed for victory rather than going the whole WTA vs PPSC route?

I think that this value needs to be discussed. But I am firmly in the WTA camp...

I´m in.

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no sandgooze not another game! XD

also can someone pm when the thing is about to start? I already forgot i was in this one

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