almost all of us would have to play for both sides, so I will abstain

ooooh i would like to play (not really in the teir you guys are in, but if a spot opens up...)

Also, what site would it be played on? Who gets home turf?

It will be on both sites as far as I know, webdip for classic games and Vdip for variant games

Classic and variant games can both be played here. I for one have extreme interest and can't get on web dip. I say we do it here

I doubt this is necessary, but I can vouch for Jimbozig being top calibre. I have no idea why he isn't on the HoF - he should be.

I'd be interested in playing for VDip, although not sure if my skill is an accurate reflection of what "top caliber" is for Vdip.

It might have been a slight exaggeration, but I was just trying to say that while there are highly qualified players on both sites, WebDip's "Top tier" is much, much larger than VDip's "Top tier" just due to size alone.

And if we really went for the best of WebDip, I don't know many VDip people who could hold their own against TheWizard, MadMarx, uclabb,Dejan0707, Babak, Jacob, slyster, Ivo_Ivanov, djbent, etc etc.

a question here then: is it an assertion that WebDip players are better than VDip players in general? Or is that empirically proven?

And some time ago it had come to my knowledge that the ghost-rating system over there is quite flawed ... or has it improved now?

Here is how I would run the tourney.

Each team has 18 players. There will be 20 games played in total: All games are anon, so you don't know who your allying with in game.

Each solo provides 2 . In the result of a draw, whichever team had more players in the wins. So if there was a 3-way draw, 2 players from webdip, 1 from vdip, the webdip team would score 2 .

If it was a 2-way draw, 1 from each, both teams would score 1 point.

there are 20 games, 10 played on webdip, 10 played on vdip.

Variants with odd number of players will get played twice, so that for each variant a same number of webdippers and vdippers join.

Webdip variants (The variants featured on webdip. These 10 games would be played on webdiplomacy.):
2 classic full press
2 classic public press
2 classic gunboat
2 world ix games
2 live ancient med games (I want to emphasize the live)

Vdip variants (The most popular vdip variants):
1 Classic Germany vs Italy game (most popular classic 1v1 set up)
2 Classic Fog of War games (most popular non classic 1v1 set up)
1 Modern Diplomacy game (2nd most popular)
2 world war 4 games (3rd most)
1 Fall of the american empire game (4th most)
1 Greek Diplomacy game (5th most)
1 Duo (6th)
1 Rinascimento (7th)

After the 20 games, which ever team won the most games wins.

To make sure its the best of the best. Sign ups will initially only open to those in the top 250 Ghost Ratings and anyone in the HOF on this site. In the very likely chance not all spots fill, well open up to players in a lower field.

18 players are required to be on the team, simply because with any less we would be unable to fill a WW4 game. So other then the fact that each member is required to play in a WW4 game. The players can play in any number of variants. If you really want to you could have 1 person play in every game. Its up to the players of each team to decide who should go to which variant.

Thoughts to these rather simple rules?

Players in the HOF of have stated interest in joining some sort of tourney:
1. God
2. Captainmeme
3. Drano19
4. Kaug
5. Shep315
6. firehawk

"I have no idea why Jimbozig isn't on the HoF - he should be."
he use to be, back in January 2013 he had a HoF rating of 1214. However he conceded quite a few 1v1 games near the end of the vdip cup, which caused his rating to plummet, pushing him off the list.

@fasces: I'm HOF 70 something right now (losing a few games, so I foresee my rank plummeting) and as of April, I ranked 217 in the list, and 167 for the PPSC category.

Also, a Rinascimento? That maps balance is ridiculously off. Even if it is popular, the drawing of countries would be luck based and could potentially give 1 side an advantage. Not exactly the best way to measure who's better as any result from that map could be challenged stating a reason of map design imbalance.

Isn't there some other map we could use?

i like both your proposals very much :)

well that sucks, I get pushed aside to scrap so quickly...

"conceded a bunch of 1 v1 games"??

Can I ask what you're referring to? I am not sure losing and conceding is the same thing, friend.

" I don't know many VDip people who could hold their own against TheWizard, MadMarx, uclabb,Dejan0707, Babak, Jacob, slyster, Ivo_Ivanov, djbent, etc etc."

But how would you know, finger? Have you played against the best on both sites?

Actually, a concede is counted as a defeat, thats a matter of fact...

@ sandgoose, I voted against your reinstatement on Webdip, but support your credentials to play in the tourney for VDip... didn't you say you had accessed the other side anyway? ;)

He implied I gave up, where in reality I played my best and lost.

There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of interest in this over on WebDip... :(

@Jasbrum
Yes but I can't reveal my webdip identity as it has no credentials and is still low on the GR side since I joined at the end of last month. I could hold my own in the higher skill games, most times I play for fun, but when it comes down to it, my diplomacy style depends on the type of game and tourney. If the games stayed on Vdip I would be more than glad to be part of this tourney. All variants are available here.

And Cap, the option is a mini tourney here on vdip with the same types of games.

Low interest on webdip is likely due to the sheer number of games. Even I know that's a lot to commit to.

@captainmeme, we have a lot larger player base over there and naturally more trolls, so it takes our serious members longer to notice actual diplomacy related posts. Give it a few days and I think you'll see some interest. Though I do agree with Sandgoose, that is a pretty large commitment. Maybe just start with 2 classic gameson webdip, and 2 variant games with press over here. Our players are either gunboat or full press. Not many will be interested in playing both types.

Speak for yourself jmo. All the best players are good at both types.

I didn't say they aren't good, I said they aren't interested. :)

Current sign ups thus far:
Team Vdip
1. God
2. Captainmeme
3. Drano19
4. Kaug
5. Shep315
6. firehawk
7. Halt

Team Webdip:
1. Gen. Lee (24th highest GR, and given that he made this thread I would assume he is interested in playing.


If Risc is a bad idea (cause it probably is), then Europe 1939 is the next map on the list of popularity.

"Can I ask what you're referring to? I am not sure losing and conceding is the same thing, friend."
My apologies, quite a few people in the last two rounds conceded most of their games due to time constraints, I couldn't remember if you were one of them. Sorry for assuming you were.

"Maybe just start with 2 classic gameson webdip, and 2 variant games with press over here."
2 classic, 2 classic gunboat, 2 Moderndip (1 gunboat and 1 regular) and 2 Fall of the American Empire (1 gunboat, 1 regular)

It would require no more then 5 players on each side, and includes both gunboat and regular games. If each team had 10 players, each player would only need to play 3 or 4 games.

Fasces, what am I? Freaking invisible?

To quote what I said earlier:
"To make sure its the best of the best. Sign ups will initially only open to those in the top 250 Ghost Ratings and anyone in the HOF on this site. In the very likely chance not all spots fill, well open up to players in a lower field."

My GR back on webdip was 43, I think I'm damn right qualified.