Finished: 04 PM Wed 07 Dec 11 UTC
The Panic of 1880
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1891, Finished
1 excused NMR / no regaining / extend the first 1 turn(s)
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08 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1880: salutations fellow diplomers!!
14 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1881: Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....Germany has completed 21 games on this sight and has sent a grand total of one in game message.
14 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1881: he's been here tonight, just played a very fast paced 1 vs 1 against him
16 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: France and Russia, we all know you have a team thing going here and all, but with the bogus delays and bogus play in this one plus the white flag now from England a draw would be appropriate when he is gone
16 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: White flag austria? I believe I've held out quite well thus far.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Drano can generally be counted upon to make the optimal move. I've simply correctly postulated what his optimal move will be several times; however, he has actually played quite well on a move by move basis. I got a bit of an advantage on him early, and with a little help from Russia, I've been slowly strangling him.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: sorry for jumping the gun on Drano's pending death, folks
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Gopher - I actually should have figured that lasdt move out and still had 2 scs. I'm disappointed I didn't see it. I blame not paying too much attention to this game anymore.

Further, id still have a chance if Russia would actually talk. Several times I've offered to help russia solo, and yet, not even a response. Quite disappointing.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Drano, you had two options, and that one made the most sense. Were you a little dumber, then I would have hit Yorkshire from Edinburgh to secure London.

As is fairly obvious, Russia and I have been allied since the beginning quite firmly and his solo is near enough that all he really needs is my neutrality.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Ahh but that's assuming you'll let him solo. Somehow gopher, I don't believe that. At least, I hope you won't. I respect your gameplay too much to believe you'll willingly allow a solo.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Solo wo't be easy to achieve, and not my style of game.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Not your style to try to win? Well, thanks for admitting it. I don't understand why people play and purposely try not to win, even when its offered to them.

Add snorri to list of people not to play.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Maybe you do'nt like that, but I'm generally seeking a draw - unless I find a situation where i'm sure to win.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Its not that I don't "like" it, its that I feel you're not playing by the objectives set out by Diplomacy rules. The objective is to get 18 scs (or in this variant 20 I believe). The objective is not to only go for 18 if its guaranteed. Everything a player does should be working towards a solo, the ONLY stated objective of Diplomacy. By seeking a draw, you are working against the stated objective of the game, and essentially playing a different game.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: so why did you voted a draw ? :)
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1887: Because there is a point where a solo is no longer realistically feasible (yes I know some powers have come back from 1 sc to win. Those are extenuating circumstances) and a draw becomes the best possible result for a player.

Win>draw>survive>defeat

That's my mantra.

Ill always try to win - if I can.
Barring a chance at a win, ill fight for a draw
If it seems as though I won't get a place in a draw (due to someone refusing to negotiate), ill fight to survive.
If I have to die, ill try to screw the guy who screwed me.
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1890: I voted the draw too. France ?
30 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1890: France, are you just trying to get rid of England before the draw? Advise ...
30 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1890: I'd like to know the answer to that as well.
01 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1890: Either Russia or I can still rather easily win. I think it is contrary to the spirit of the game to not try.

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