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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
02 Apr 18 UTC
Testing a possible new variant
I've made a simple Diplomacy variant, but I haven't tested it. Would this be the place to (perhaps) gain some testers?
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sarmstro (931 D)
03 Apr 18 UTC
Noob question
Hi, long time dipper, first time vdipper. Is it possible to enter orders using an android phone, or do I have to wait to get in front of a PC? The orders field just says "loading order" and nothing else happens.

Apologies for the stupid question, and hello!
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Battalion (2386 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Bot wars
I've been wondering how well you could write a script to play gunboat diplomacy. Probably not very well (at least to begin with!), but it would be fun to try. I don't really have the time to do this properly right now, but I'm interested to know if it has been done before, or whether anyone would be keen to try at some point in the future.
Battalion (2386 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Obviously the idea would be that bots play each other - I'd never suggest the bot was used against other people without their knowledge and express consent, before anyone gets worried about that.
ubercacher16 (2181 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Do you mean just for ordering units in gunboat?
abadu (1227 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
I have actually thought about something similar (I've studied some AI). One simple solution for the early game would be to just analyze the best moves based on a database of earlier games (similarly as it's done in chess, for instance). You should probably use a mixed strategy though, so other bots or player couldn't predict your move. Especially when there's a guessing situation.

This can maybe take you through the first three or four years or so (especially for Classic as there are more archived games) but later on, you would need to use something more advanced like a path finding algorithm. The number of game states is not as large as in chess, for instance, so it should be doable in reasonable computing time, I'm guessing. But even later on, I would still use a mixed strategy to keep everyone else guessing. Maybe also try to identify the situations where randomizing your move is crucial.

Just off the top of my head, haven't read any articles etc. related to Diplomacy AIs.
abadu (1227 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Also, there's still some "diplomacy" involved in Gunboat (supporting units of players to want to build an alliance with etc.), so that makes matters more complicated.
abadu (1227 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
And trying to identify when other players are allying up against. Or trying to prevent a player from getting to the victory condition. When to suggest draws etc. So it gets pretty complicated if you want to add too much "human-like" behavior.
ScubaSteve (1234 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
It would be fascinating to see the bots play each other. I think bots would be (obviously?) be better than humans if the project were taken as seriously as teaching computers chess.
teacon7 (1674 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
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This has been done already.

It is a lot of fun, but nowhere near as good as human players. There's even a rudimentary form of negotiation available, which I used a bit but found too hard to manage on a long term scale.

I wish the program had a map designer that could port to the DAIDE format.

Some quick google links after googling "DAIDE" :

https://sites.google.com/site/diplomacyai/QuickStart
https://sites.google.com/site/diplomacyai/home/daide
https://sites.google.com/site/diplomacyai/
http://www.daide.org.uk/
http://diplomacyai.blogspot.com/
http://www.ellought.demon.co.uk/dipai/
teacon7 (1674 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
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Maybe you guys who know AI and programming languages could take up the torch and build a frontend/client suited for this decade?
Scuba - Chess is a two player game with no cooperation or negotiation and no need to look at your opponents moves in a potentially friendly light. In short, chess is a simpler game in diplomatic and emotional intellect. Ches has more complex moves but simpler motives and fewer players. This makes the decision engine easier to write.
ubercacher16 (2181 D)
30 Mar 18 UTC
@YCHTT, then a bot for the two player variants would be much easier then even a gunboat one for the Classic?
Yep. In fact a two player bot would likely be easier than a chess bot due to fewer starting pieces and movements being simpler.
ubercacher16 (2181 D)
30 Mar 18 UTC
Yeah.
ScubaSteve (1234 D)
30 Mar 18 UTC
Head to head diplomacy would be pretty easy for a bot. It would be able to make the best move every time.

I suspect that teaching a computer what constituted "friendly" or "aggressive" play wouldn't be too difficult. That is to say, extremely difficult but not as difficult as chess. I have no objective facts or information to support my belief.
CCR (1957 D)
30 Mar 18 UTC
Batallion, it already happened. The DipAI project, some ten years ago.
The ground for the bot battles was the daide server
http://www.ellought.demon.co.uk/dipai/
The Albert bots have won. Try them out, following the links above by Teacon.
I challenge anyone to play seven games against Alberts (latest release, max level). If you get one solo, you are a good gunboat player!


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Enriador (1507 D)
26 Mar 18 UTC
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[Upcoming] Renaissance: 1453
Hail diplomats! I wanted to share a very small project I have been working on. Soon we will have the chance to play 'Renaissance: 1453'!
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The Real Wheat (969 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
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Issue with South American Supremacy Map
Hey, I'm getting ready to start a game with some friends using the South American Supremacy map. It appears the map is starting with a fleet in Bogata, which is a landlocked territory. the variant homepage lists Bogata as starting with an army. Is there is a good way to correct this? Thanks!
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
22 Mar 18 UTC
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Forum search idea
Cam the awesome guys that know techie stuff add some functionality to the forum so you can search?
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jason4747 (1633 D)
21 Mar 18 UTC
What happened to the U.S. of Insanity?
Draw?
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Woodruff (1000 D)
22 Mar 18 UTC
Map Markings
I apologize if this is a repeat question or if it's found somewhere obvious, but I'm brand new to vDiplomacy and I can't seem to find what the difference is between the two types of what I believe are SC markings on the Bye Bye Federalism map.

Can someone help me?
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March Madness discussion
Let's have a discussion/argument about this year's tournament.
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Pretz (952 D)
20 Mar 18 UTC
Option to play a variant with fewer than the max number of players?
Hello all,

I and two of my friends love playing 3 player diplo games together. Having gone through the different 3 player maps, I'm wondering if there is a way to play on some of the larger variants, but with just 3 people? For instance, I'd love it if we could play a 3 player game on Fall of the American Empire IV.
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Enriador (1507 D)
15 Mar 18 UTC
Which variant would you like seeing on vDiplomacy?
Is there a variant that you really want to play, but isn't available here yet?

I have done work on half a dozen variants and I would like to pick something else. What's your favorite?
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G-Man (2466 D)
17 Mar 18 UTC
Policy For Site Unavailability/Glitch
What do you mods think about having some kind of policy posted to address when the site goes down or is not functional in the future? You have chosen to cancel the 1st game of Divided States over this, but the last time I was involved in a game that had this happen, the last phase was replayed. So currently, the response isn't consistent.
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WWII Tournament REPLACEMENT NEEDED
^^^

Go to the WWII Tournament thread for details. First come, first served.
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JECE (1534 D)
04 Mar 18 UTC
Join Team Iberia in the 2018 webDiplomacy World Cup
Iberia came 3rd in 2010, 2nd in 2012 and was absent from the 2016 edition. We're late to the party, but hopefully we can pull together quickly enough to register our team before sign-ups close. Are you ready?
The tournament is getting organized now:
http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=298
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Enriador (1507 D)
03 Mar 18 UTC
[Poll] Balkan Gambit
If you are playing Austria and doing a Balkan Gambit, what orders do you give to Army Vienna?

https://strawpoll.com/redwyz6b
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Grahamso1 (1912 D)
01 Mar 18 UTC
“Resigning” from a game
I would never want to do this but what does it mean when I see a player “resigned” from a game
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tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
03 Feb 18 UTC
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Improvement suggestions?
I am looking to give some love to my main coding contributions to vdip, namely the interactive map and the TSR in Colonial Diplomacy. Do you have any wishes, improvement suggestions, issues or bug reports with these implementations?
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Enriador (1507 D)
25 Feb 18 UTC
[Classic] Tuscan Opening
Hello guys! I wrote an article on webDiplomacy.net Forum about a "Tuscan Opening" that I will transcribe here for those who aren't members of webDip. I hope you enjoy it!
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
13 Feb 18 UTC
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New mega-variant: Divided states....
Here comes our largest variant ever: Divided States.
A variant for 50 players!! With 693 territories (270 land, 236 coast, and 187 sea territories).
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Anon (?? D)
15 Feb 18 UTC
Western World 901 Bug?
I am in a gunboat and when I try to see the past orders it tells me there is a bug.

http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=33658
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Argentinean Empire (1606 D)
23 Jan 18 UTC
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Prove your historical knowledge!
Since some discrepancies arose from the Winning thread, (what else is new?) here we go. We start with a question, and the person that correctly answers it posts a question of their own, and it continues.
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michael_b (952 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Question: Adding Variant(s)
Please see reply.
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Halt (2077 D)
10 Feb 18 UTC
Can't send press during build phase?
Hi, during one of my games, I seem to not be able to send press during build phase? I have been away from the site for a few years, so is this a new feature/rule I'm unaware of or is there something wrong with the game I'm in?

gameID=33649
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nopunin10did (1041 D)
22 Jan 18 UTC
Email notifications?
Does vDiplomacy not have an option to send email notifications upon important game events?

I just recently set up a game, then came back to check on it a couple days later only to find that I'd NMR'd it without even knowing. I couldn't find anything in my email, even in Spam or Trash.
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Enriador (1507 D)
07 Feb 18 UTC
WTA vs Draw-Disvaluated Scoring
What about adding Draw-Disvaluated Scoring to vDip?

It's a mix of Calhamer Scoring (aka Winner-Takes-All) with Draw-Zero Scoring, and has the fortunate effect of pushing players towards a solo unless a draw is absolutely necessary. Solos work like in WTA, but draws are different.
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Grahamso1 (1912 D)
05 Feb 18 UTC
PPSC vs SoS
I couldn’t find the answer in Help.
I know PPSC means in a solo the points are allocated based on supply centre count while in a draw it reverts to an equal split of points like DSS/WTA
For SoS over on WebDip, in a draw the points are allocated on a sum of Squares principle. But Help section doesn’t say what happens in a solo. Same method or reverts to winner takes all? I’m assuming SoS whether draw or solo but checking
Thanks
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Technostar (1302 D)
03 Sep 17 UTC
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"Divided States" - New variant in progress
"Divided States" is a variant where every US state is a country. I am looking for advice about it. See reply for details.
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Greatdjenkins (927 D)
30 Jan 18 UTC
you hippies whats in da hood
come at me bro, when people see u they be like FATYYYYYYYY
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Just a heads up...
I'm headed to our cabin for a week tomorrow. I'll still get internet on the phone when we head into town for dinner each night, but my communication may be lacking in game on any press games.
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
27 Jan 18 UTC
Looking for Callifornians
I'm currently travelling through California for a good month and wondered if there's any players out here who'd like to meet or maybe even host me?
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